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starts now welcome and hello this is

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alive suction radio network my name is

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art web i am your host thank you so much

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for tuning in it is a hot day here in

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Southern California and I don't have my

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anything in front of me right now I want

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to say that you should listen to the

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truth under show there's all sorts of

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ways you can listen to it you can listen

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to it on the roku box you can listen to

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it by downloading the amazing i RN app

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and you can also stream it live on the

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ir website every wednesday evening at

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6pm pacific specific time and 9 p.m.

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eastern i'm joined by mark schwartz he

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is the CEO of truth thunders calm and

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i'm in a little bit of a I would say I'm

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out of my element at the moment and that

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I'm actually broadcasting this show from

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my car on the freeway in Los Angeles

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because there was a fire on the freeway

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and they shut us all down and I'm via

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the wonderful world of technology using

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my iphone to run skype through my

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bluetooth and i'm doing a live radio

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show from the wheel so if i am

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distracted it's because i'm not trying

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to die so it's it's pretty amazing i

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have to say art you know the fact that

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you're broadcasting from like the middle

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of LA traffic in in a car I mean that

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just shows how far we've come with

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technology right because oh my god dude

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2008 this is impossible I remember the

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first time i streamed internet radio in

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my car with a laptop in a 8-inch outlet

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a verizon hotspot like we had internet

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radio in the car and I was a huge deal

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and now i'm doing a show from the card

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no more than well seven or eight was

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2008 2 2015 it's math I can't do but you

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get the picture yeah and and you know

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when I was a child my my dream was that

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I would host a radio show I would also

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be a trucker I don't ask me why I wanted

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to be a trucker but I think it was

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because I could travel and so in my and

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my like 16 year old head this was the

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greatest thing the world I actually sent

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away to trucking school academy and when

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that it came in the mail my parents like

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threw it out there like you're not being

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a trucker but my goal was to be a

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trucker and have my own paranormal radio

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show that I broadcast from my truck and

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now you're helping me live that out sort

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of vicariously by being stuck in traffic

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by sitting here with sweat dripping

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excited about the air conditioning to do

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this because otherwise you're just gonna

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hear a whole lot of like air blowing

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into the microphone and now I'm going to

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sit in this hot box in the Sun thank God

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it's moving again and i'm almost home so

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break here i should be back in my little

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makeshift studio new neutron neutron

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hopes that you get pulled over by the

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way for talking on your phone did any of

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you listen you listeners stop everybody

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my head that is in no way affecting my

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ability to steer a wheel thank you

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excellent fantastic thank you for

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clearing that up a little thank you so

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being that I when I get out of this car

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likely on door what do you want I'm

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secreting this was it's not going to be

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is wonderful nobody wants to hear me

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fantastic show I am you know how you had

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your fanboy moment when we had uh oh and

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been Davidson on there yeah suspicious

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observers on the phone on the show a

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couple weeks ago and you totally went

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fanboy on him because you loved his

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youtube channel and all that he does

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myself because we have heidi hollis on

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the show today to talk about all things

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paranormal all things shadow people all

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things ghosts maybe demons I don't know

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there's so much that we can go and get

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into here and for those of you who don't

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know Heidi she has I'm sure you all know

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especially if you're listening to

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inception radio because she has a radio

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show on inception she's been everywhere

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she's been on every show from coast to

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coast and beyond I mean she is she is

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incredible and art if you want to take

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from here you said you you have a little

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bio that you'd like to read and share

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with everybody I I mean I'm not even

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kidding you right now as I'm explaining

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how i have giant beads of sweat dripping

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onto my arm it's like I'm sitting in a

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sauna I can't even hold phone properly

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to like read this thing because it's I'm

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dripping sweat onto the screen okay

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Heidi Hollis is a truth seeker of the

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unknown she is the world's foremost

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expert on shadow people and a hat man

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from the Curious George books i believe

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phenomena and actually both their

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distresses names and that's not true the

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curious it's a very different type of an

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eye but she actually coined their the

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descriptive names in her book the secret

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war a true story about a real alien war

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and the shadow people and her newest

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book the hat man and curious george go

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to the park the true story of evil

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encounters she's going to hate me for

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saying that her other claim books Jesus

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is no joke a true story been unlikely

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witness who saw Jesus and picture

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prayers spent a variety of topics based

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on Jesus and angel encounters she I have

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a spigot coming from my forehead right

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now she has also offered

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on a new graphic novel series diary blog

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of the sickle finders which stairs

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topics fans topics rather from angel or

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aliens to angels all this is also a

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lively talk radio show host and she has

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her cell Outlander here and Iran she's a

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lecturer and occupational therapist and

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she is obsessed with dr. Seuss click the

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first link for a sample of hug this is

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the bio that you sent me that you didn't

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edit that part out okay so that is Heidi

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her name is alliteration I appreciate

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that very much so and I think we should

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just bring her on right now because I'm

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in no like position to do a show with

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you to talk about anything about you

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giggling over here too much huh that was

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a beautiful like total like I think I a

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purple carpet was rolled out and

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everything for me that rock thank you

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guys I was really cool of you I helped

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put that on soundcloud everybody back

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and listen to it high stakes are coming

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up and doing the show with us I

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appreciate it more of course I guess and

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we got a lot to talk about because these

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are all very fascinating topics I mean

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in all seriousness that man and all

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these things you are an expert on or

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just they there are some of the topics

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of paranormal that will forever be I

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think shrouded in mystery just because

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they these are in these are intangible

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there's so much there in terms of what

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to start so maybe mark to do that

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absolutely so highly welcome it's so

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like i said if i get nervous it's only

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because i'm on the big fan um looks

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that's really cool you got it it's it's

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so cool to hear your voice especially

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because I listen to your show so often

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to actually be talking with you is

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another thing and so I'm sure all the

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people out there can relate because

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they're Heidi halls fans as ha

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correctness I don't think I've ever met

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one before but this is so this is cool

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as an honor yeah right I have my hair

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slicked back like an instinct music

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video right now because I have so much

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sway I'm gonna go ahead

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in this photo she learned I'm sorry to

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interrupt the show you look like a guido

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your hair dr. Seuss Ian sceptile or

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something Oh our lady went at this point

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it's to why I'm actually sending I'm

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and I smart just so I gotta enough i'm

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wearing a t-shirt with I school penguins

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on it they're having a great time love

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it and speaking of ice-cold penguins um

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that for for the listeners maybe there's

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some people that catch us on YouTube and

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some people that listen to us on iTunes

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that aren't familiar with with your work

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if you could tell us a little bit about

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yourself specifically how you got into

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the realm and the world of the shadow

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people and and the hat man like how did

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those two crazy intense paranormal

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your life or or how did you connect with

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them and yes I'll just leave it at that

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I connected with them kicking and

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screaming trying to run it out but

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direction no I don't want to see these

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things oh my gosh um but my gosh i was i

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was raised in a haunted house so that

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could actually oh really I'll see you

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yeah that's what gets a you know if

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people always wonder what what lights

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that fire and it's like well I was

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tortured as a child you know like

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goodness I mean that's what it felt like

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you know you don't appreciate it as a

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kid they're real [\h__\h] is what it

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comes down to like I get it it's funny

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but like why do you gotta turn my shower

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on at three o'clock in the morning it's

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not cool oh no that that's not cool at

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all uh I don't I really I I was tortured

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I could not stand what was happening

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what was going on no one of my family

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appreciated it much and and I just

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wanted answers I don't know I just felt

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like you know how dare this thing had

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you know scared me

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so much as a kid I really wanted to find

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out what was going on and then as a

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teenager I lived out in the country a

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bit and I saw odd lights in the sky and

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and that piqued my interest to look into

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the UFO topic and you know it just seems

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like wherever I went strangeness seemed

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to follow me I I wasn't quite certain

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what that was there's a target you ended

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up on this show so it's still happening

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oh yes you guys had that paranormal flag

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hanging out of your house so I figured

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I'd stop by um but it's like I don't

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know I just uh it's strange out things

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you know one thing leads to another I

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mean I just you know found some answers

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in regards to the the ghostly stuff and

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some more answers in regard to the UFO

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stuff and you know little did I know

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that that would lead me into a new

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phenomenon in regards to oh we lost them

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didn't we know I'm right here we lost

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mark oh you lost mark everybody anybody

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says him I automatically send to talk

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about me but um well we can we can carry

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on without and he'll come back he does

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sometimes okay was that sad oh no

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hopefully he comes back to life here but

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ya know so I just I totally was looking

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into all these different things and and

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then I had something really peculiar

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happen um that landed me into the grasp

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of shadow people when I saw one

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accidentally that was following my

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friend okay so this is the first time

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you ever I came into contact with one

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yeah yeah and expect ascribe the

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experiences that's this is an

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interesting part of you know like what

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hello who you are oh yes we're talking

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excuse us I would like to know like the

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the initial emotions and reactions that

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you experience when you see this thing

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for the first time and are you afraid

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are you intrigued are you is it fight or

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flight I mean what that what are you

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going through a you remember that

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specifically uh well yeah I mean because

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if I mean I was uh gosh was probably 20

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20

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is old or so and and I was out hanging

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out with a friend we went walking along

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this little bike path that went through

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behind the school it was broad daylight

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and I saw something like from it just

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from my peripheral vision initially dark

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that was jumping from tree to tree and

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Bush to Bush and I'm like what is going

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on my friend is walking ahead of me

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she's just talking talking talking I'm

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like how fast wasn't moving it was you

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know it was kind of like uh you know as

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if you're in a fast-moving car and

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things are just going to zip being by

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you but you saw something and it's black

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against the Green you know and I'm like

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yeah I'm just seeing things whatever

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keep walking along and then I got a

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really good look at it and I'm like no

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freaking way what the heck is that we

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reached our destination and by the time

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that we reached her destination I mean I

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was freaked out and say anything my

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friend and then we went to come back

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from that the place that we're at we're

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at her uncle's house and went to come

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back and this darn thing followed us all

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the way back and I was just beside

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myself by the time we reached her house

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I'm like what on what on earth you know

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what was that you know I was just like

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this is this is just too much it's just

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too crazy and I'm like okay I Soliris

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hey there I said you gonna say that I

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said to her I didn't you know I don't

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know what the heck it is yeah I can hear

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ya okay now you're just screwing with us

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there's no way you've been seriously is

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that mark yeah thank you see there I

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don't think he can hear us though yeah

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funny I had this exact same problem last

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week oh wow that's a weird oh so he

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could shout of people the shadow people

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do not want to talk about this clue I

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mean I'm sure you're the ones doing it

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right right exactly you know I I really

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I've had issues like that too and

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usually I have to reboot my computer and

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all that to get it to work properly but

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I swear skype on my cell phone works ten

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times better it's more reliable I do do

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you find

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that do you ever find that things like

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technology will will start acting up for

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you more often than not because of this

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type of thing you just call so much oh

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yeah it would be really really bad for

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me actually and things have calmed down

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over the years because I've learned how

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to keep their rotten good-for-nothing

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selves away from me so a little bit

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later in show yeah yeah so anyways we

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got to her her house and I was just like

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I was staying on their second floor by

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the way too and I was just like I do not

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know what I saw but I just saw this

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thing following us and you know so I'd

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grab a paper and pen and and I draw

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quickly what i called it head and

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shoulder shadow guys um and I'm like

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show it to her and I'm thinking oh she's

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just gonna laugh me out of the room and

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she looks at it intently and she just

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goes oh that guy yeah I don't know what

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it is it's just been following me for

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years and I was just like what you know

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what are you talking about and she's

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like hey dad look that guy that thing is

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back I don't know what it is then it's

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just it'sit's status quo it's like you

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know yeah the air just used to it that's

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funny it was it was freaky but I was

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forced out I was read the whole show

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hear me saying hello every 2 30 seconds

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I don't think he can hear us how do you

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get even I'm I can't wait till you hear

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this back right ok wiki yes okay so the

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day are accustomed to it you're sitting

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there going oh you guys this is not

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natural weed I mean how is this the

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thing that you are reacting so

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nonchalantly to yeah well you know I

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didn't know where that fit in because

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here I was raised in a haunted house

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I've seen UFOs and I've seen ghosts but

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this thing was black and huge I just I

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don't know I just couldn't figure out

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what the heck I was dealing with I had

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no reference point and I'm like okay you

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know everybody knows what this is I have

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no idea I needed to grab something from

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the second floor where I was staying at

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and it was like a how can I say uh-oh

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fixed ups attic like so there was

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nothing in the big center part and my

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room was at the far end and it was still

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broad daylight outside it I I'm gonna

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interrupt you really quick here because

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through the magic of Technology I'm

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actually having conversations with mark

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you're texting we're yeah I'm just

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telling everyone how sausages meant

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we're gonna take a quick break we take

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the break early so we can get marks

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things today and we don't have to be

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interrupted by him saying hello and then

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we get back we will continue the story

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thank you so much for tuning in to this

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funds radio show on ception radio

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network my name is our bread you're

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joined back by mark shorties now with us

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everything is good to go i'm i'm

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actually back in my house now like this

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whole thing in a very short amount of

542
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time has kind of like come together in

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such a way that we were unable to make

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happen before the break there this is

545
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you know one thing mark about this show

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is that we tend to ever you bout no

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month or so every four weeks or so we

548
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tend to have an episode that is just

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completely off the rails for just

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whatever reason and I mean whether it's

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me just being completely high on drugs

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or any number of other things like we

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have to experience these types of shows

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and we always say to ourselves off just

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after the show like we talk and we'll

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never be able to i top that how bad that

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was and then every four weeks we just

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seem to reinvent well we're dealing

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we're dealing a paranormal art and the

560
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second i started bringing up shadow

561
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people I got kicked off I got kicked off

562
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the air so it could definitely have

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something to do with that or with the

564
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fact that you had just sent me a text of

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you sweating in the car which was really

566
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disgusting and disturbing by the way and

567
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that could have also been what threw me

568
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off so um both things both things a

569
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little creepy yeah you're just in that

570
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car if it either way we're talking with

571
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Heidi I want to know more about the

572
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shadow people store your time because

573
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they actually was really uh fascinating

574
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in that this is your first experience

575
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with a shadow person you're losing your

576
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mind and your friends are just like yeah

577
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its shadow guy would leave him alone

578
00:24:37,919 --> 00:24:36,280
he's trying to live his life if it kind

579
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of felt like that honestly I was like

580
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what I'm you know it's a just a just to

581
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kind of touch base on a little bit more

582
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like I so I seen this thing didn't know

583
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what I was saying I confront my friend

584
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like I don't know what I'm witnessing

585
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broad daylight this black thing is

586
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jumping around and she's just like Oh

587
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him yeah I don't know you know he's been

588
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following me since I was a kid and I'm

589
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just like what so

590
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crazy so I needed to get something from

591
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the second floor and I was staying at my

592
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friend's house there and again it's

593
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broad daylight didn't feel like I had to

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turn a light switch on to go to the

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center to go up to the second floor to

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get something from the room I was and so

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I go up there go through the big center

598
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room that has like no windows or no

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light bulb or anything on and then I had

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to go to the end of this house on the

601
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second floor to grab my stuff I turn

602
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around and there's that big black

603
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shadowy mass that I call the head and

604
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shoulder shadow that I saw following us

605
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blocking my way out of the the room and

606
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uh you asked what's that this is this

607
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isn't a situation where you're like

608
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trying to keep up with like watching it

609
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it is now just stationary standing in it

610
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is standing there I grab something off

611
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the bed and turned around and leave the

612
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room and again there's like natural

613
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lighting that's coming into this room

614
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that it's both low-lying like attic

615
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windows that are you know maybe a foot

616
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or something but you're sitting in right

617
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now everybody look around and Isaac it

618
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was that kind of thing and I'm like I

619
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turn around I'm just like I you know

620
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that that that kind of fear I don't

621
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think I've ever felt such fear in all my

622
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life honestly it was such a guttural

623
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moment because this thing I don't know 8

624
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10 feet it was huge and it was hulking

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over me like leaning over me and all I

626
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could say is you know I was numb I was

627
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just numb and I knew somehow that if

628
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Iran this thing was gonna get me if I

629
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swung at it it was gonna get me and

630
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define get you like is he going to like

631
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I mean as a shadow entity I don't

632
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understand how it gets its well and I'd

633
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like to add to that it kind of sounds

634
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like this is where JK Rowling got the

635
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idea for the mentor for the Dementors

636
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and Harry Potter I don't know if you

637
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give you a read Harry Potter but the de

638
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mentors are the hallmark what I nerds

639
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either I meet I of course you ready

640
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but but if you know the the Dementor

641
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sort of is a shadow strikes fear into

642
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:21,059
people and and people are motionless

643
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,860
they can't move that they're sort of

644
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,200
paralyzed so it sounds I don't know I

645
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:27,360
just that that came up as we were

646
00:27:32,990 --> 00:27:30,480
talking right now ya know that that's it

647
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makes sense i mean it's like I wonder

648
00:27:37,460 --> 00:27:34,590
sometimes when people write some of

649
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these other stories out there and they

650
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describe something similar to what

651
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:42,299
shadow people do and look like I wonder

652
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:43,740
if they've experienced something yeah

653
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:48,450
you know what I mean ah honestly that's

654
00:27:53,419 --> 00:27:50,730
not that's how I feel no Heidi I

655
00:27:56,659 --> 00:27:53,429
remember and and I don't want to cut you

656
00:27:58,580 --> 00:27:56,669
off but I remember this episode of Art

657
00:28:01,519 --> 00:27:58,590
Bell and it was like back in nineteen

658
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:01,529
ninety-six maybe or 97 but he had a

659
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guest on who talked about shadow people

660
00:28:08,299 --> 00:28:05,549
and I don't know if you ever heard this

661
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:08,309
episode but it was this English woman um

662
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and she came on and she talked about

663
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:11,789
them and how it was a real phenomenon

664
00:28:17,389 --> 00:28:13,710
and art was talking about it a little

665
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,399
bit and so are did you ever were you

666
00:28:20,919 --> 00:28:18,960
ever a part of that or did you ever

667
00:28:24,110 --> 00:28:20,929
listen to those yeah I belt you can

668
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:24,120
people shadow people was a huge topic of

669
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,250
conversation regularly on the show and

670
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:28,559
honestly on perfect speaking for

671
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:30,690
personal experience I had a very

672
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:32,760
difficult time understanding the

673
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:34,110
difference between shadow people and

674
00:28:38,990 --> 00:28:36,210
ghosts for a very long time because I

675
00:28:41,299 --> 00:28:39,000
didn't I always felt like it wasn't

676
00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:41,309
properly explained or the time was never

677
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,740
really taken to differentiate the

678
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:45,840
different different differentiated you

679
00:28:51,289 --> 00:28:48,179
the difference rock on to differentiate

680
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:51,299
between the two and and what the each

681
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:53,490
entity is so I'm gonna take that time

682
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:56,820
now and ask you what is the difference

683
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:58,370
between a ghost and a shadow person

684
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:00,600
what's the difference on my gosh the

685
00:29:06,620 --> 00:29:04,320
huge difference um like when I was just

686
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:06,630
describing that shadow being feeling

687
00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:08,820
like it was going to get me I knew

688
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:11,940
without a doubt that this thing if it

689
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:13,980
could it would rip my throat out I I

690
00:29:18,970 --> 00:29:17,610
felt its hate and its intention was to

691
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:18,980
kill me

692
00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:22,690
so shadow people are I don't know that

693
00:29:28,289 --> 00:29:25,790
to the nth degree of darkness I mean

694
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:28,299
it's it's something that absolutely

695
00:29:32,169 --> 00:29:30,290
penetrates you when you're in their

696
00:29:35,169 --> 00:29:32,179
presence I in on the beginning when I

697
00:29:38,289 --> 00:29:35,179
wrote my first book in 97 that was based

698
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:38,299
on a ship topic a shadow people and was

699
00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:39,530
sending it around trying to get it

700
00:29:44,169 --> 00:29:42,470
published by other authors who had

701
00:29:46,299 --> 00:29:44,179
publishing companies as well so it was

702
00:29:48,430 --> 00:29:46,309
just it was such a difficult thing to

703
00:29:53,230 --> 00:29:48,440
try to get the the topic started and

704
00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:53,240
launched out there but it's crazy

705
00:29:59,400 --> 00:29:56,200
because as I was doing that I heard that

706
00:30:01,900 --> 00:29:59,410
much later on you know that others had

707
00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:01,910
referred to these same beings as shadow

708
00:30:07,299 --> 00:30:04,160
people I had never heard anybody

709
00:30:09,340 --> 00:30:07,309
mentioned the word prior to my writing

710
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:09,350
the book or even prior to talking on it

711
00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:12,770
to be honest so so when you said 97 I

712
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:15,830
know that art and 2001 started speaking

713
00:30:20,140 --> 00:30:18,890
on that and on the top of the door and

714
00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:20,150
it might have been it might have been

715
00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:23,480
you know a thousand one yeah definitely

716
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:25,790
i'm not exactly sure when you know when

717
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,530
you listen to the old reruns especially

718
00:30:34,030 --> 00:30:30,320
it's a some of the dates get all get all

719
00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:34,040
jumbled yeah yeah but but did you ever

720
00:30:38,620 --> 00:30:36,470
did you ever listen to that that English

721
00:30:40,780 --> 00:30:38,630
woman I wonder what her name was I'm Gia

722
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:40,790
but I did not lit I did not hear it i

723
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,650
really did not I yeah I need to go back

724
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:44,480
and listen to it i just wasn't staying

725
00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:47,360
up late oh sure i was a college student

726
00:30:53,710 --> 00:30:51,830
you know suffering yeah i do you are in

727
00:30:56,650 --> 00:30:53,720
are you Ronnie where are you located

728
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:56,660
exam i am in chicago years ago says here

729
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:58,610
in california he was on from 10pm to 2am

730
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,000
much different time oh yeah here is

731
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,679
midnight to four or five in the morning

732
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:06,080
it's like new by the way I'm a sucker

733
00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:10,250
for like Midwestern accents it's just

734
00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:12,140
half down there there's other people on

735
00:31:16,780 --> 00:31:14,630
the show called I'm a sucker for and it

736
00:31:18,669 --> 00:31:16,790
is the moment that marched board says

737
00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:18,679
you know I'm a sucker for whatever it is

738
00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:20,750
everybody takes a shot where they take a

739
00:31:24,220 --> 00:31:22,190
hint that they take a bite whatever it

740
00:31:25,780 --> 00:31:24,230
is it's a new game because every single

741
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:25,790
episode mark says I'm a sucker for

742
00:31:30,730 --> 00:31:29,480
followed by any number of things I've

743
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:30,740
been keeping track of this pattern

744
00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:31,290
actually for

745
00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:33,750
a few weeks now and I meaning it up and

746
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:35,670
without fail of course he doesn't so

747
00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:37,710
everybody keeps that in mind I'm going

748
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:39,030
to build an alarm that will play

749
00:31:42,020 --> 00:31:40,890
actually hey I the sound effects

750
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:42,030
Department that took care of our news

751
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:45,450
breakingnews last time could uh try and

752
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,110
hit that sound or for the I'm a sucker

753
00:31:52,670 --> 00:31:51,360
for bit every week that would be great

754
00:31:58,340 --> 00:31:52,680
thank you news department okay back to

755
00:32:00,050 --> 00:31:58,350
the show oh my goodness and but I didn't

756
00:32:01,670 --> 00:32:00,060
get that I forgot to finish we were

757
00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:01,680
saying you're asking about the

758
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:03,270
difference between the two like when I

759
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:05,100
first started going out there and

760
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,930
talking about shadow people i was being

761
00:32:11,150 --> 00:32:09,360
mocked and laughed at saying shadow

762
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:11,160
people whatever isn't that from like

763
00:32:15,170 --> 00:32:12,930
what was it Babylon 5 or something

764
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:15,180
something called shadows and like what

765
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:17,250
no it's like you know it was so

766
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,490
difficult and then I got a bunch of like

767
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:21,600
ghost hunters that were telling me oh

768
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:24,480
they're just the the shadows of ghosts

769
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:27,240
you know like no they're not and it was

770
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:29,010
interesting to watch over the years how

771
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,770
these paranormal investigators and

772
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:34,080
whatnot were getting back to me and

773
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:36,840
saying okay so I experienced a shadow

774
00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:40,620
person and OMG that is no ghost and I

775
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:44,190
like I know that yeah and they also have

776
00:32:51,410 --> 00:32:47,460
a very very very deep connection to

777
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:51,420
aliens so oftentimes Evan news to me I

778
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:54,210
had no idea that you were um where they

779
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,740
linked or they connected or isn't the

780
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:57,600
same thing I guess you know what I

781
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:00,360
always from there from the start spoke

782
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:03,330
of them as being from another place so

783
00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:05,730
not being anything that's from this

784
00:33:12,980 --> 00:33:09,830
realm even and is that is that like um

785
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:12,990
transdimensional know they literally

786
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:15,170
come from another place another planet

787
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:19,110
that yeah and ambien it's other system

788
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,010
can i I really wouldn't know it wouldn't

789
00:33:27,170 --> 00:33:24,720
know you're the expert we have you on to

790
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:27,180
talk about these things so nice yes but

791
00:33:31,220 --> 00:33:29,100
you know it's funny because like I came

792
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:31,230
at it from a total different perspective

793
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:33,000
is not a ghost hunter or anything like

794
00:33:37,010 --> 00:33:34,650
that but if somebody who was

795
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:37,020
experiencing them but who had seen UFOs

796
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,240
and aliens as well and then lo and

797
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:41,760
behold right after seeing some aliens

798
00:33:44,889 --> 00:33:44,310
shadow people came in you know and I'm

799
00:33:47,139 --> 00:33:44,899
like

800
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,149
is you know what is what's my life what

801
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:49,519
is my life this is crazy you know one

802
00:33:53,829 --> 00:33:52,369
like this my life you just have a choice

803
00:33:56,919 --> 00:33:53,839
i mean like this is the way it was gonna

804
00:33:58,269 --> 00:33:56,929
go close yeah i mean it was bizarre and

805
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:58,279
you know me my college roommate we're

806
00:34:02,619 --> 00:34:00,320
just like living this and we're like

807
00:34:05,049 --> 00:34:02,629
this is this is nuts oh you know we just

808
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,059
couldn't figure it out and you know it's

809
00:34:10,029 --> 00:34:07,039
oh my gosh it gets it gets really

810
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:10,039
strange because uh really my college

811
00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:12,169
roommate you know she's Pentecostal

812
00:34:16,539 --> 00:34:15,230
super religious and I you know she's

813
00:34:18,609 --> 00:34:16,549
gonna move in and I'm this like well

814
00:34:20,169 --> 00:34:18,619
just so you know I see weird little

815
00:34:21,819 --> 00:34:20,179
things coming see my apartment all the

816
00:34:25,299 --> 00:34:21,829
time don't know what to tell you and

817
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:25,309
she's like I'm got God on my side they

818
00:34:29,019 --> 00:34:27,169
won't bother me depa thing and you know

819
00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:29,029
preaching at me like well okay then you

820
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:30,679
know just go ahead and you can move in

821
00:34:36,099 --> 00:34:34,250
but you were warned and it took some

822
00:34:37,569 --> 00:34:36,109
time and she I think we lived in the

823
00:34:40,269 --> 00:34:37,579
same place for maybe a year or something

824
00:34:43,569 --> 00:34:40,279
she saw odd things here and there and

825
00:34:44,889 --> 00:34:43,579
she was an extraordinary artists and she

826
00:34:46,269 --> 00:34:44,899
would draw the things that she'd see

827
00:34:48,220 --> 00:34:46,279
she's like oh my god I see this I'm like

828
00:34:49,690 --> 00:34:48,230
and what do you think that is I don't

829
00:34:54,549 --> 00:34:49,700
know it's probably a demon of yours you

830
00:34:56,529 --> 00:34:54,559
know wokay whatever um and then she this

831
00:34:58,569 --> 00:34:56,539
is this is straight up this is what

832
00:35:00,819 --> 00:34:58,579
happened she was driving to her college

833
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:00,829
through downtown i lived in milwaukee at

834
00:35:06,250 --> 00:35:04,490
the time um and in broad daylight it's

835
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:06,260
something jumped on the hood of her car

836
00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:09,410
and shoved its head through her

837
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:12,440
windshield what the [\h__\h] like literally

838
00:35:16,269 --> 00:35:14,569
shattered the windshield not shattered

839
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:16,279
that chatter she said it was kind of a

840
00:35:22,510 --> 00:35:18,710
gelatinous sparkly gel looking like

841
00:35:23,769 --> 00:35:22,520
nature like ectoplasm yeah it just it

842
00:35:25,779 --> 00:35:23,779
just moved through it because they can

843
00:35:31,690 --> 00:35:25,789
do that these things why I suppose so

844
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:31,700
but the so this thing does that and the

845
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:33,890
craziest thing she said you know it

846
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:35,690
which would she called it was she got to

847
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:36,680
her college she called me in a panic

848
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:38,690
like oh my god I can't believe this

849
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:41,210
alien choked on I'm like what and she

850
00:35:46,839 --> 00:35:45,200
said it was so weird this thing I'm

851
00:35:48,549 --> 00:35:46,849
sorry sorry that's just the experience

852
00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:48,559
of having the super religious girl call

853
00:35:53,049 --> 00:35:50,150
you insane alien just came to my car

854
00:35:55,029 --> 00:35:53,059
like that has to be such a sorry it

855
00:35:57,279 --> 00:35:55,039
really was i mean especially for her

856
00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:57,289
because she was so anti don't talk to me

857
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:58,440
about that kind of crap

858
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:00,300
but and you and your nutty friends

859
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,010
because I had joined a group of people

860
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:04,560
who had they were alien abductees I'd

861
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:06,540
seen UFOs I had not been abducted and

862
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:09,890
still have not thanked God um what's up

863
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:12,150
Ortiz nail if you know that or not but

864
00:36:19,099 --> 00:36:16,560
he is oh I feel that actually sometimes

865
00:36:21,770 --> 00:36:19,109
I think that I am I've had those

866
00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:21,780
thoughts oh there you go hey you're

867
00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:24,030
among family and friends all right it's

868
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,550
all good but so this thing started

869
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:29,040
talking to her after it shoved its head

870
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:30,510
through the windshield and she said it

871
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,210
was strange she said when it was talking

872
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:34,800
she said you know when your mouth gets

873
00:36:40,309 --> 00:36:37,410
numb at the dentist and like yeah she's

874
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,319
like my jaw wit numb and it started

875
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:42,960
snapping up and down and it was talking

876
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:45,599
through me using my own mouth and voice

877
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:48,599
oh and that's not cool they just don't

878
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:50,579
yeah you know I just be this personal

879
00:36:55,069 --> 00:36:53,160
space like you have issues that we have

880
00:36:58,460 --> 00:36:55,079
here in this country is you don't do

881
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,470
that yeah you know it was a little

882
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,480
little bit invasive and you know I'm

883
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:01,920
listening to her telling me this and I'm

884
00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:04,290
like what what am I you know this is

885
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:06,270
crazy and like hold on is she making fun

886
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:07,800
of me you know and she started crying

887
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:09,960
and I'm like oh my god I'm like do you

888
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,890
want me come pick you up from your

889
00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:13,200
school I mean you know what's going on

890
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:15,480
it's just like no no she's like it

891
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:17,400
wasn't scaring me it had a really

892
00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:20,250
calming feeling to it I'm like okay well

893
00:37:26,380 --> 00:37:22,200
let's meet up and talk about this later

894
00:37:29,319 --> 00:37:26,390
on you know and net up and lo and behold

895
00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:29,329
things went to a different level when

896
00:37:36,859 --> 00:37:32,790
this other entity started talking

897
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,869
through her and all I could say is I was

898
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:39,119
just beside myself we're sitting in my

899
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,730
car of sitting at Lake Michigan just

900
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:43,680
chatting like so an alien just another

901
00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:46,800
your car what and then she's like I feel

902
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:49,079
like something is you know some I need

903
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:50,910
to meditate or something right now like

904
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:52,410
the fight of her like there was eight

905
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:54,930
had left like residuals like something

906
00:38:01,250 --> 00:37:57,480
was different with her and she had a

907
00:38:02,660 --> 00:38:01,260
very thick spanish accent and she closed

908
00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:02,670
her eyes for a second i'm sitting there

909
00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:05,670
talking to her and her accent reduced

910
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:08,550
and she just you know kind of

911
00:38:12,329 --> 00:38:10,500
straightened herself up and just like

912
00:38:14,819 --> 00:38:12,339
hello I've been waiting

913
00:38:17,459 --> 00:38:14,829
to speak to you for a very long time she

914
00:38:19,019 --> 00:38:17,469
says this to me and I'm like what and

915
00:38:20,609 --> 00:38:19,029
like what do you mean even waiting

916
00:38:24,059 --> 00:38:20,619
speech need very light very long time

917
00:38:26,279 --> 00:38:24,069
and like I'm asking you don't like

918
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:26,289
Samantha you okay it's like oh this is

919
00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:28,569
not Samantha and like oh really now

920
00:38:35,549 --> 00:38:32,950
listen Samantha and I said no I'm what

921
00:38:37,620 --> 00:38:35,559
you would call an alien and I'll just

922
00:38:39,209 --> 00:38:37,630
you know again I'm sitting you're

923
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:39,219
staring at my friend and this is going

924
00:38:47,549 --> 00:38:42,249
on kind of a fast-forward it a little

925
00:38:49,799 --> 00:38:47,559
bit so I essentially asked this Antony

926
00:38:53,099 --> 00:38:49,809
you know I try to play along and listen

927
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:53,109
to listen to this thing and what's going

928
00:38:57,779 --> 00:38:55,690
on with this and I said well can you

929
00:38:59,549 --> 00:38:57,789
show yourself you know I'm like you're

930
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,559
an alien where's your ship you know oh

931
00:39:03,749 --> 00:39:01,839
no we cannot come down lower like we

932
00:39:05,729 --> 00:39:03,759
used to because you're your government

933
00:39:09,539 --> 00:39:05,739
can shoot us out of the sky now and like

934
00:39:10,709 --> 00:39:09,549
oh really okay so what can you do any

935
00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:10,719
cycles sometimes we could project

936
00:39:17,819 --> 00:39:13,420
ourselves I'm like well project away you

937
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:17,829
know mr. alien and I am not kidding you

938
00:39:23,819 --> 00:39:20,380
like the car kind of filled with a warm

939
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:23,829
like hum and between us in the car

940
00:39:31,499 --> 00:39:28,150
formed this pinkish fleshy colored being

941
00:39:33,180 --> 00:39:31,509
and it was out of focus but I saw it all

942
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:33,190
right and I was ready to hop out of the

943
00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:35,890
car and I'm like oh my god I see

944
00:39:40,890 --> 00:39:37,630
something I see something and then I

945
00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:40,900
said oh but it's not really clear and it

946
00:39:44,190 --> 00:39:41,950
said well that can't be helped because

947
00:39:46,410 --> 00:39:44,200
you have weak human eyes so I was just

948
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:46,420
done I was like what I got an insult for

949
00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:49,450
being human so again it's a fast forward

950
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:50,799
a little bit because it's just so much

951
00:39:55,289 --> 00:39:53,049
but this is a story that's written oven

952
00:39:58,589 --> 00:39:55,299
and my book the secret war the first

953
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,599
book written on shadow people so I had

954
00:40:04,979 --> 00:40:00,640
been experiencing these shadowy entities

955
00:40:06,809 --> 00:40:04,989
in my apartment and in comes this being

956
00:40:09,299 --> 00:40:06,819
talking through my overly religious

957
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:09,309
friend and not knowing exactly what's

958
00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:11,710
going on with all of that this being

959
00:40:16,229 --> 00:40:13,390
started making himself regularly

960
00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:16,239
available talking through my friend who

961
00:40:20,999 --> 00:40:18,670
was totally floored about what was going

962
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:21,009
on in her life because you like what am

963
00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:22,839
i doing I'm channeling she's like I'm

964
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:24,430
not gonna call this thing channeling I

965
00:40:28,810 --> 00:40:25,310
was meditating

966
00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:28,820
something barged its way in so it was it

967
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:30,950
was kind of a strange situation but it

968
00:40:34,450 --> 00:40:32,210
was through this being that I got a

969
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:34,460
better understanding about what it was

970
00:40:40,030 --> 00:40:36,770
that I was experiencing myself and my

971
00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:40,040
college roommate with these dark shadow

972
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:41,900
beings coming through and what they were

973
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:46,370
trying to do so it is it's so intense

974
00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:49,910
it's um and do you feel do you feel that

975
00:40:53,830 --> 00:40:51,560
they're still with you like now that you

976
00:40:55,810 --> 00:40:53,840
are on air and have a show and you talk

977
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:55,820
about it and it's part of your life do

978
00:41:00,310 --> 00:40:57,890
you feel like things can still manifest

979
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,320
or do you still have experiences or has

980
00:41:03,010 --> 00:41:02,000
it calmed down since you sort of brought

981
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:03,020
it to light and brought it to the

982
00:41:10,410 --> 00:41:06,880
public's eye oh gosh um you know

983
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:10,420
interesting enough when I was trying to

984
00:41:15,370 --> 00:41:13,490
gather the information for the book as

985
00:41:17,050 --> 00:41:15,380
the being asked me that I put it

986
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:17,060
together in a book that it needed to be

987
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:18,560
said people needed to know what was

988
00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:20,510
going on this phenomenon with the shadow

989
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:22,760
beings in particular it was this whole

990
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:27,110
reason for showing up so it things were

991
00:41:33,070 --> 00:41:29,510
really intense but he told me don't talk

992
00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:33,080
about it and and the intensity will be

993
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:35,900
less and so I didn't I couldn't talk

994
00:41:40,570 --> 00:41:38,210
about it until the book was out 2nd net

995
00:41:43,690 --> 00:41:40,580
book came out things were going more

996
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:43,700
through the roof but he had told me how

997
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:46,070
to keep them at bay so it wasn't so

998
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:49,970
god-awful for me and it's honestly been

999
00:41:56,020 --> 00:41:52,520
much more reduced I don't have these

1000
00:41:58,780 --> 00:41:56,030
things barging into my my place I've had

1001
00:42:00,580 --> 00:41:58,790
him pick me up and try to drag me

1002
00:42:03,070 --> 00:42:00,590
through the ceiling once I mean it

1003
00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:03,080
they're horrible thing I could look so

1004
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:05,750
so and do you think that this all stems

1005
00:42:10,090 --> 00:42:07,490
from because you lived in a haunted

1006
00:42:12,070 --> 00:42:10,100
house and so you are in touch with it a

1007
00:42:14,110 --> 00:42:12,080
little bit more than other people would

1008
00:42:17,050 --> 00:42:14,120
have liked you grew up with it so you

1009
00:42:20,430 --> 00:42:17,060
are in tune with it more you know what I

1010
00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:20,440
think from the very beginning that I

1011
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:25,160
think I think that my soul I can it's

1012
00:42:29,170 --> 00:42:27,650
not like it's better or special nothing

1013
00:42:31,210 --> 00:42:29,180
like that I think that know like we

1014
00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:31,220
understand it has like a little bit of a

1015
00:42:36,490 --> 00:42:33,320
destiny you know that's instilled in

1016
00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:36,500
them and I think these beings knew that

1017
00:42:39,940 --> 00:42:38,750
I wouldn't be shy about sharing about

1018
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:39,950
some of the things that I've seen over

1019
00:42:45,610 --> 00:42:42,110
the years I mean I growing up I had had

1020
00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:45,620
lots of visits to a heaven like place um

1021
00:42:49,630 --> 00:42:47,630
I don't know if it was because I had

1022
00:42:52,690 --> 00:42:49,640
severe seizures as a kid and they didn't

1023
00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:52,700
think I'd live very long and I don't

1024
00:42:58,030 --> 00:42:55,340
know i had outright memories of a heaven

1025
00:43:00,670 --> 00:42:58,040
like place and um seen angelic things

1026
00:43:03,550 --> 00:43:00,680
and had dreams that would kind of show

1027
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:03,560
me things that were about to happen and

1028
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:05,510
then i would get these I don't know if

1029
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:07,970
it's not like deja vu it's like I would

1030
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,880
get a little fast forward to be able to

1031
00:43:14,260 --> 00:43:12,800
see what's about to happen next it's

1032
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:14,270
it's really interesting that you bring

1033
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:16,250
that up Heidi in fact art and I when we

1034
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:18,650
went out for breakfast over the weekend

1035
00:43:24,490 --> 00:43:20,930
or brunch we were talking a little bit

1036
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:24,500
about that art has crazy night terrors I

1037
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:27,410
mean he has them worse than anybody else

1038
00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:30,110
his wife was telling me that he will get

1039
00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:32,120
up and he'll just do things and be

1040
00:43:36,190 --> 00:43:33,950
almost somebody else for an entire night

1041
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,200
like drive places and do things

1042
00:43:42,070 --> 00:43:38,720
completely asleep and not be not be

1043
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:42,080
there and for me you know I've had some

1044
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:44,470
really crazy experiences as well

1045
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,090
specifically with my dreams where my

1046
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:49,760
dreams feel like they are way beyond a

1047
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:52,610
dream I mean it feels literally real a

1048
00:43:59,290 --> 00:43:56,480
an example of that was I must have been

1049
00:44:01,900 --> 00:43:59,300
two or three months ago I dreamt and in

1050
00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:01,910
my dream i was time traveling and it was

1051
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:03,830
real it was like it wasn't like I was

1052
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:05,450
sleeping and it was a normal dream it

1053
00:44:09,610 --> 00:44:07,730
was like I was transported and I was

1054
00:44:11,890 --> 00:44:09,620
somewhere and I started talking to

1055
00:44:13,930 --> 00:44:11,900
somebody and I said to him wait wait

1056
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:13,940
wait wait I am NOT in the future I did

1057
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:15,530
not time travel there's no way that I

1058
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,800
could do that and he said to me yes you

1059
00:44:22,450 --> 00:44:20,240
did time travel and you are in the

1060
00:44:24,850 --> 00:44:22,460
future right now I said back to him you

1061
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,860
know yeah well how does time travel

1062
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:26,960
happen and he said well it all started

1063
00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:30,770
back in around the Year 2017 when they

1064
00:44:38,140 --> 00:44:35,900
started working with the oh oh gosh no

1065
00:44:39,460 --> 00:44:38,150
the Google cloud nine engine that's

1066
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:39,470
that's what he told me now on the

1067
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:41,930
computer nerd and I and I do all sorts

1068
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:44,510
of stuff and and you know I'm I work

1069
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:47,030
with technology all the time and I never

1070
00:44:52,540 --> 00:44:50,210
ever heard of a google cloud nine engine

1071
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:52,550
I suddenly wake up I feel like I'm like

1072
00:44:57,339 --> 00:44:55,010
sucked back through a tunnel and I wake

1073
00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:57,349
up and I think to myself google cloud

1074
00:45:01,660 --> 00:44:59,570
nine engine just remember that just just

1075
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:01,670
anything about that so the next morning

1076
00:45:06,430 --> 00:45:04,640
I wake up and the first thing I do i go

1077
00:45:08,770 --> 00:45:06,440
to the computer and i type in google

1078
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:08,780
cloud nine engine and sure enough

1079
00:45:14,109 --> 00:45:12,170
there's a something that's a google

1080
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:14,119
cloud nine engine it was it showed up in

1081
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:16,310
my google search at the top and right

1082
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:20,510
underneath it was a video for a band

1083
00:45:24,250 --> 00:45:22,609
called cloud nine and the name of the

1084
00:45:28,060 --> 00:45:24,260
song for their video was called time

1085
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:28,070
travel which was hahaha razy and to me

1086
00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:29,690
like there's some little jumps that we

1087
00:45:35,099 --> 00:45:32,270
have or somehow I mean that some people

1088
00:45:38,770 --> 00:45:35,109
i think are connected and do have that

1089
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:38,780
right now though I've seen UFOs I have

1090
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:42,560
not seen aliens you know I don't think

1091
00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:47,089
I've been abducted and but but it you

1092
00:45:51,490 --> 00:45:49,550
know that the manifestation like it's

1093
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:51,500
it's must be really strong with you if

1094
00:45:55,570 --> 00:45:53,450
you're able to think about it and they

1095
00:45:56,620 --> 00:45:55,580
show up or they appear because there

1096
00:45:59,020 --> 00:45:56,630
have been times where I've thought about

1097
00:46:01,540 --> 00:45:59,030
it and like come on bring it on and

1098
00:46:03,220 --> 00:46:01,550
nothing happens um but then I also

1099
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:03,230
wonder if that's because I don't really

1100
00:46:09,579 --> 00:46:06,710
want it or don't really you know I keep

1101
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:09,589
a bubble of light over me while I do it

1102
00:46:15,339 --> 00:46:12,410
you know to try to like keep myself safe

1103
00:46:18,730 --> 00:46:15,349
yes exactly because you sure do not want

1104
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:18,740
to be abducted right I mean if you want

1105
00:46:22,810 --> 00:46:20,450
to be thrown to the pits of hell that's

1106
00:46:25,060 --> 00:46:22,820
essentially what you're asking it just

1107
00:46:27,339 --> 00:46:25,070
happened to you I'm like there's so many

1108
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:27,349
people I've met that's like I just want

1109
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:28,640
to see aliens I want to be abducted I

1110
00:46:32,829 --> 00:46:30,470
want in it and like it doesn't make you

1111
00:46:36,130 --> 00:46:32,839
special doesn't make it great they'll

1112
00:46:38,980 --> 00:46:36,140
just use you like a piece of meat check

1113
00:46:40,839 --> 00:46:38,990
some things out abuse you and drop you

1114
00:46:43,380 --> 00:46:40,849
off and then you'll have post-traumatic

1115
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:43,390
stress disorder and you won't know why

1116
00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:45,950
yeah I definitely don't want to be

1117
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:47,960
abducted I don't even want to see aliens

1118
00:46:53,020 --> 00:46:51,290
but I am so curious about UFOs it's it's

1119
00:46:56,859 --> 00:46:53,030
almost like three separate things to me

1120
00:47:00,010 --> 00:46:56,869
um and and seeing seeing this bizarre

1121
00:47:02,740 --> 00:47:00,020
crafts in the sky is something that I am

1122
00:47:03,820 --> 00:47:02,750
fascinated with just because I've I've

1123
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:03,830
seen them and

1124
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:07,010
plain as day you know oh that's cool no

1125
00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:09,770
I I'd love spotting UFOs more than

1126
00:47:16,660 --> 00:47:12,380
anything I think it's it is it's like

1127
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:16,670
majestic it is absolutely and how often

1128
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:19,490
do you feel like you see them oh you

1129
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:22,310
mean UFOs mmhmm yeah well now that I'm

1130
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:24,290
in Chicago I don't see anything over

1131
00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:27,200
here I don't usually anything is big

1132
00:47:30,610 --> 00:47:28,940
city I mean the lights and all you

1133
00:47:34,060 --> 00:47:30,620
really don't see anything when i lived

1134
00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:34,070
in milwaukee there's a there's a place

1135
00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:37,790
called dundee Wisconsin where just just

1136
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:40,460
so many sightings there it's like every

1137
00:47:43,870 --> 00:47:41,780
time I would go there there would be

1138
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:43,880
something in the sky that wasn't quite

1139
00:47:49,150 --> 00:47:46,130
right I seen the most beautiful UFOs

1140
00:47:51,010 --> 00:47:49,160
over there actually too but and then

1141
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:51,020
living in the city over there was more

1142
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:53,990
difficult to see at night as well but

1143
00:47:59,230 --> 00:47:57,680
yeah but I just I see no I've seen so

1144
00:48:01,630 --> 00:47:59,240
many but I've seen a lot of different

1145
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,640
alien beings so too i lost track how

1146
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:04,400
many different ones but it's been

1147
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:06,530
interesting how things have shifted in

1148
00:48:13,090 --> 00:48:09,830
my life where that was a big focus at at

1149
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:13,100
one point and I feel like I was kind of

1150
00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:16,750
led down this path it's like ghosts UFOs

1151
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:20,870
aliens shadow people hat man Jesus

1152
00:48:25,810 --> 00:48:23,990
encounters and it's like what it's all

1153
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:25,820
kind of coming to this culmination of

1154
00:48:30,730 --> 00:48:28,850
good versus evil bringing me back to the

1155
00:48:34,330 --> 00:48:30,740
church pews of when I was a child like

1156
00:48:36,550 --> 00:48:34,340
you know what you know I turned my back

1157
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,560
on this stuff you know this is this is

1158
00:48:40,450 --> 00:48:38,000
why you know a lot of people think well

1159
00:48:42,430 --> 00:48:40,460
did we lose Heidi the paranormal lady to

1160
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:42,440
the church or something like I'm not a

1161
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:44,090
bible thumper I don't go to church on

1162
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:46,850
Sundays but I do consider myself to be a

1163
00:48:54,820 --> 00:48:50,330
Christian author of a sort and the only

1164
00:48:57,550 --> 00:48:54,830
thing that works in the face of these

1165
00:48:59,860 --> 00:48:57,560
things that are negative is one's face

1166
00:49:02,500 --> 00:48:59,870
honestly and myself being Christian I

1167
00:49:03,970 --> 00:49:02,510
you know name of Jesus you know for

1168
00:49:07,630 --> 00:49:03,980
things to work and it's like it's not

1169
00:49:10,180 --> 00:49:07,640
about becoming a religious freak or

1170
00:49:13,330 --> 00:49:10,190
anything but it's having that faith and

1171
00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:13,340
that knowing no doubts behind where you

1172
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:16,190
stand in facing these negative things

1173
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:17,450
because

1174
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:20,570
these things they will look for a crack

1175
00:49:28,089 --> 00:49:24,079
in you to get at you and this is what

1176
00:49:30,430 --> 00:49:28,099
drives me to do what I do because I see

1177
00:49:32,530 --> 00:49:30,440
too many people that are just bending

1178
00:49:34,060 --> 00:49:32,540
knees like oh my gosh these things are

1179
00:49:37,210 --> 00:49:34,070
more powerful than I am gonna like know

1180
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:37,220
if they were if they were strong and you

1181
00:49:40,839 --> 00:49:39,050
know could be tall they would have done

1182
00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:40,849
it already but obviously they can't

1183
00:49:47,319 --> 00:49:44,180
they're sitting there looking at just

1184
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:47,329
staring at you choking you you know

1185
00:49:53,530 --> 00:49:49,670
trying to get you to submit and a beat

1186
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:53,540
your spirit down yeah and and and do you

1187
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,490
think so so you obviously have the

1188
00:49:59,530 --> 00:49:57,200
strength right you have the strength to

1189
00:50:01,839 --> 00:49:59,540
fight out whatever it might be and you

1190
00:50:04,540 --> 00:50:01,849
know you think maybe it's that soul

1191
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:04,550
maybe it's something but I think that

1192
00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:06,740
there are natural warriors spiritual

1193
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:13,070
warriors if you will and and so for do

1194
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:15,290
you ever have you ever done a past life

1195
00:50:19,089 --> 00:50:17,210
regression or thought about that or do

1196
00:50:20,829 --> 00:50:19,099
you have thoughts about that is it

1197
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:20,839
something that you'd ever want to do or

1198
00:50:27,010 --> 00:50:23,089
is there like a future life regression

1199
00:50:30,670 --> 00:50:27,020
um that would be cool huh right oh man

1200
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:30,680
gosh you know I I would so love to do it

1201
00:50:36,430 --> 00:50:33,230
I really would love to I have memories

1202
00:50:38,109 --> 00:50:36,440
of things but their flashes of things

1203
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:38,119
here and there and and I've always kind

1204
00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:41,089
of been to the I don't know it's like I

1205
00:50:45,550 --> 00:50:42,980
feel like if I meant to know it if it's

1206
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:45,560
supposed to be beneficial it'll come to

1207
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,750
me and I I can't meditate without

1208
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:49,760
falling asleep i'm not good at that

1209
00:50:56,290 --> 00:50:53,690
stuff but it's odd how I just sometimes

1210
00:50:58,240 --> 00:50:56,300
get these little trickles of images and

1211
00:51:00,550 --> 00:50:58,250
memories I mean outright memories that

1212
00:51:03,010 --> 00:51:00,560
we'll just worry and I'm like what I

1213
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:03,020
mean that it makes no sense to me but I

1214
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,270
don't doubt it because it's like these

1215
00:51:10,210 --> 00:51:07,520
memories are part of my life experiences

1216
00:51:12,460 --> 00:51:10,220
and I use them to help myself and others

1217
00:51:15,069 --> 00:51:12,470
hopefully in the right way so it's like

1218
00:51:17,890 --> 00:51:15,079
I don't I don't doubt what comes my way

1219
00:51:20,620 --> 00:51:17,900
and and why it comes my way I just try

1220
00:51:22,930 --> 00:51:20,630
to find a way to to interpret it and

1221
00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:22,940
hope that I could make a good joke of it

1222
00:51:28,270 --> 00:51:25,550
and and and funnel it out to the people

1223
00:51:30,970 --> 00:51:28,280
to see look this could really be

1224
00:51:34,270 --> 00:51:30,980
beneficial for all of us to know and and

1225
00:51:36,340 --> 00:51:34,280
find better way so absolutely and and

1226
00:51:37,450 --> 00:51:36,350
we're about to head to break but I just

1227
00:51:40,090 --> 00:51:37,460
want to say that I think you are

1228
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:40,100
absolutely doing that going to youtube

1229
00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:42,290
if you look for Heidi Heidi stuff you

1230
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:44,390
can see her answering you know people's

1231
00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:47,090
emails a lot of people reach out to you

1232
00:51:51,550 --> 00:51:49,670
regarding strange dreams or strange

1233
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:51,560
experiences they have and I think one of

1234
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,480
the things that you do and why you are

1235
00:51:58,780 --> 00:51:55,760
so successful and in the world of the

1236
00:52:00,670 --> 00:51:58,790
paranormal is because you helped and

1237
00:52:04,060 --> 00:52:00,680
that is just hands-down you know one of

1238
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:04,070
the things that that is as good as light

1239
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:07,850
and is is wonderful about you so and

1240
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:09,050
with that we're going to go ahead and

1241
00:52:12,130 --> 00:52:10,640
take a break when we come back we're

1242
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,140
going to talk with Heidi a little bit

1243
00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:14,960
more about the supernatural alien

1244
00:52:18,910 --> 00:52:16,910
experiences will answer some of your

1245
00:52:21,070 --> 00:52:18,920
questions from the chat room you can

1246
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:21,080
also call in to ask Heidi any questions

1247
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,570
you want at 888 9 192 355 and last but

1248
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:28,400
not least we will also be discussing

1249
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:30,770
some upcoming projects and maybe some

1250
00:52:35,070 --> 00:52:32,750
truth funders projects with heidi hollis

1251
00:52:38,260 --> 00:52:35,080
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1324
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:31,970
did we lose you into the abyss wow so

1325
00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:33,890
people just so you know i do i know

1326
00:56:38,290 --> 00:56:36,140
there is there is we're talking about

1327
00:56:40,210 --> 00:56:38,300
there's some ghosts that have entered

1328
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:40,220
the machine so for those of you who

1329
00:56:44,290 --> 00:56:42,050
listen to our show we had suspicious

1330
00:56:47,620 --> 00:56:44,300
observer on and if you've seen his

1331
00:56:49,330 --> 00:56:47,630
videos their version poor old mess yes

1332
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,340
but i'm talking about him specifically

1333
00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:51,440
so he'll be an observer he goes by a

1334
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:53,030
specific observer i think he just goes

1335
00:56:57,100 --> 00:56:55,310
most suspicious observers whether disney

1336
00:56:59,890 --> 00:56:57,110
were splitting hairs keep going um and

1337
00:57:01,840 --> 00:56:59,900
during the break MJ was saying that on

1338
00:57:03,970 --> 00:57:01,850
suspicious observers he this morning

1339
00:57:06,070 --> 00:57:03,980
every single morning he he talks about

1340
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,080
solar flares what's going on in the

1341
00:57:12,010 --> 00:57:08,480
earth face well it's connect us what's

1342
00:57:14,650 --> 00:57:12,020
that baby sweater space weather yeah so

1343
00:57:17,410 --> 00:57:14,660
um apparently there's a ton of solar

1344
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:17,420
flares happening with the sun today like

1345
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:20,450
crazy amount and we think maybe that's

1346
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:22,010
what's affecting all the electronic

1347
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:24,710
equipment that art and I are working on

1348
00:57:28,510 --> 00:57:26,330
we're working on two different sides of

1349
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:28,520
the state of California and it's either

1350
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:30,890
as MJ said the drought that's affecting

1351
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:34,880
us or are those crazy solar flares could

1352
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:37,730
be waiting you they you live in Silicon

1353
00:57:41,710 --> 00:57:39,770
Valley you guys just I mean I operate

1354
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:41,720
under the impression you just stole all

1355
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:51,530
bar did you hear that yeah well maybe we

1356
00:57:57,310 --> 00:57:54,770
did steal all your internet I like the

1357
00:57:59,560 --> 00:57:57,320
special effects yeah right that's

1358
00:58:01,720 --> 00:57:59,570
awesome would you what are you talking

1359
00:58:05,540 --> 00:58:01,730
about no idea what I know what did you

1360
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,550
hear something yes we did I'm here

1361
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:07,200
seriously what was it it sounded like

1362
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:09,570
your speech was slowing down and getting

1363
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:12,330
slower slow it was like a digital wobble

1364
00:58:22,820 --> 00:58:18,450
yeah it was perfect perfect timing so so

1365
00:58:24,980 --> 00:58:22,830
it's all shadow people it is bad Wow

1366
00:58:27,350 --> 00:58:24,990
okay see the second he says that it

1367
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,360
happens again it does this I think

1368
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:29,040
there's a ghost in the machine that's

1369
00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:31,140
what's happening that's hilarious I

1370
00:58:36,380 --> 00:58:33,120
didn't I get my being ghostrick I don't

1371
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:36,390
even know yep you you are um but here's

1372
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:38,220
the thing is i think you know you hear

1373
00:58:42,590 --> 00:58:40,500
us laughing about it and making fun of

1374
00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:42,600
it and whatever and that's what keeps

1375
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:44,940
things at bay right i'm going to bed

1376
00:58:50,180 --> 00:58:47,460
watching comedy movies instead of like a

1377
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:50,190
horror flick before you go to sleep that

1378
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:53,640
kind of helps to keep things at least I

1379
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:55,890
feel it helps to keep the light around

1380
00:59:01,040 --> 00:58:58,410
me and keep things kind of at a distance

1381
00:59:02,570 --> 00:59:01,050
do you feel that way Heidi or is that is

1382
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:02,580
that something that you've noticed I'm

1383
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,290
not something the touch any of the show

1384
00:59:09,110 --> 00:59:06,000
choose how she keeps like these things

1385
00:59:10,820 --> 00:59:09,120
away from her so I did I did what yeah

1386
00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:10,830
I'm actually you know keeping things

1387
00:59:15,980 --> 00:59:13,980
positive light it's really anything

1388
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:15,990
that's uplifting it does you know they

1389
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:17,130
don't like that they don't like that

1390
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:19,290
sort of thing so yeah but it does help

1391
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:21,660
um you know I loved it i saw this one

1392
00:59:26,350 --> 00:59:23,460
little snippet of this lady who got

1393
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:26,360
diagnosed with some horrific cancer and

1394
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:28,890
she's like I made it a point that

1395
00:59:32,180 --> 00:59:30,330
absolutely everything that I ever

1396
00:59:34,670 --> 00:59:32,190
watched on TV or at the movies was a

1397
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:34,680
comedy I laughed all day long and she

1398
00:59:38,810 --> 00:59:36,930
beat the cancer you know I was like let

1399
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:38,820
go you know it makes sense keep your

1400
00:59:45,740 --> 00:59:41,850
spirit I you know I agree I'm completely

1401
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:45,750
ruin it you're so i think it's i think

1402
00:59:50,180 --> 00:59:48,330
it doesn't definitely help and you're

1403
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:50,190
asking how to keep them away you know

1404
00:59:54,530 --> 00:59:52,650
again I'm very much about putting your

1405
00:59:58,730 --> 00:59:54,540
ethereal foot down and in the back side

1406
01:00:01,100 --> 00:59:58,740
of darkness so keep things positive put

1407
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:01,110
your faith out there have no doubts in

1408
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:03,930
yourself in your face and as well and

1409
01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:05,850
standing in the face of these these dark

1410
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:08,520
things because I don't think that we can

1411
01:00:14,060 --> 01:00:11,670
take them on one at a time we can't say

1412
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:14,070
I really have a lot of power that we

1413
01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:16,290
don't possess or just abilities to

1414
01:00:21,290 --> 01:00:18,990
navigate circumvent and navigate the

1415
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:21,300
physical world around us in ways that we

1416
01:00:25,850 --> 01:00:22,910
don't understand so we would not be

1417
01:00:27,590 --> 01:00:25,860
capable to go up against the rules well

1418
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:27,600
but we're not to back down though either

1419
01:00:31,790 --> 01:00:30,480
if they come at us like open it yeah

1420
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:31,800
they come at us like a thief in the

1421
01:00:36,890 --> 01:00:33,690
night because why don't they come to us

1422
01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:36,900
when we're standing upright you know as

1423
01:00:41,410 --> 01:00:39,420
a full-fledged human being now they use

1424
01:00:44,330 --> 01:00:41,420
right on when you're knocked down

1425
01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:44,340
sleeping sick you know whatever

1426
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,020
depressed and then they try to take

1427
01:00:50,420 --> 01:00:48,240
advantage it's because they don't have

1428
01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:50,430
that power as much as we think that they

1429
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:52,500
do but right and they're in a weakened

1430
01:00:56,210 --> 01:00:54,690
state yeah we're gonna weaken stage in a

1431
01:00:57,859 --> 01:00:56,220
weakened state and then those little

1432
01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:57,869
thieves of the knife couple hey I'm

1433
01:01:01,580 --> 01:00:59,880
coming to steal your soul a dude I was

1434
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:01,590
sleeping of course you could probably

1435
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:03,510
get a get a better grip on me with

1436
01:01:09,350 --> 01:01:06,210
evening you know it's like but you know

1437
01:01:10,790 --> 01:01:09,360
it's still it's important when you do

1438
01:01:12,380 --> 01:01:10,800
roll over and you see their rotten

1439
01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:12,390
good-for-nothing selves sitting there

1440
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:14,430
you know don't think you could go

1441
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:15,930
swinging out and be like come on you

1442
01:01:22,070 --> 01:01:18,960
know no put your put your call on your

1443
01:01:24,410 --> 01:01:22,080
your faith God whatever whatever you

1444
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:24,420
feel is positive 2 to me it's Jesus and

1445
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:27,210
God and just be like you know i i'm

1446
01:01:32,450 --> 01:01:29,130
putting that power in front of me to

1447
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:32,460
push you out because it's it's it's

1448
01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:34,020
could be it outright battle and I've had

1449
01:01:38,510 --> 01:01:36,900
people be thrown across the room because

1450
01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:38,520
they went at him the wrong way so he

1451
01:01:46,190 --> 01:01:41,670
definitely got to be careful so Heidi I

1452
01:01:49,310 --> 01:01:46,200
have a good friend and he recently moved

1453
01:01:51,590 --> 01:01:49,320
into a new place and he told me hey Mark

1454
01:01:54,140 --> 01:01:51,600
there's this like I was walking in my

1455
01:01:56,780 --> 01:01:54,150
house and there was this shadow and it

1456
01:01:58,070 --> 01:01:56,790
like walked around and it dipped it's

1457
01:02:00,109 --> 01:01:58,080
like it was in the hallway and then

1458
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:00,119
disappeared and it was like it's like

1459
01:02:04,550 --> 01:02:02,850
playing hide and seek with me and um do

1460
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:04,560
I just got chills was talking about this

1461
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:05,850
is the person I've ever taught anybody

1462
01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:08,490
that what he talking about yeah this is

1463
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:11,369
a couple weeks ago he said this and he

1464
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:14,130
said that that he decided which ever we

1465
01:02:19,849 --> 01:02:16,609
all know that this is a really bad idea

1466
01:02:23,090 --> 01:02:19,859
and I told him to please throw this away

1467
01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:23,100
and he did but he wound up getting out

1468
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:25,710
as a Ouija board with a friend and you

1469
01:02:30,349 --> 01:02:27,510
know trying to psych to see what was

1470
01:02:32,780 --> 01:02:30,359
going on and that is Margie boards with

1471
01:02:36,050 --> 01:02:32,790
bad news really Oh

1472
01:02:38,330 --> 01:02:36,060
and and then he started seeing it more

1473
01:02:40,460 --> 01:02:38,340
and more and so you know he freaked out

1474
01:02:43,340 --> 01:02:40,470
a little bit he said he burns the Ouija

1475
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:43,350
board oh gosh that was awkward I could

1476
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:47,250
do with it why did this like a pentagram

1477
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,210
on the floor right it's just like oh so

1478
01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:53,760
um you know and I I haven't talked to

1479
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:56,190
him since he kind of fill me in on this

1480
01:03:02,660 --> 01:02:59,760
on what was going on and he was he was

1481
01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:02,670
kind of like he did what I asked him to

1482
01:03:09,650 --> 01:03:05,640
do after the fact he that he he did all

1483
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:09,660
this stuff yeah but he you know I'm not

1484
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,490
a professional i don't know all i know

1485
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:13,440
is from the stuff that i've heard and i

1486
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:15,930
think i know a little bit more identity

1487
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,970
people better not he does boys I mean if

1488
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:19,920
there's anything anybody walks away from

1489
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:21,960
the show with tonight we're a bunch of

1490
01:03:26,750 --> 01:03:23,850
Raving lunatics Ouija boards are not

1491
01:03:29,570 --> 01:03:26,760
toys they're not oh I don't care we know

1492
01:03:34,490 --> 01:03:29,580
hasbro makes them a pink yeah right

1493
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,500
that's fun it's it's crazy it's a you

1494
01:03:38,330 --> 01:03:36,240
know and I don't know if it's the Ouija

1495
01:03:39,620 --> 01:03:38,340
board itself or the intention behind it

1496
01:03:43,010 --> 01:03:39,630
there's there's a couple different

1497
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:43,020
theories of both but it's like either

1498
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:44,970
way you're kind of like playing with

1499
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:46,890
stuff so so what have vice would you

1500
01:03:52,580 --> 01:03:50,130
give to this guy who who is kind of like

1501
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,590
he's done this at this point is there

1502
01:03:56,810 --> 01:03:54,240
anything that he can do can you get this

1503
01:04:00,110 --> 01:03:56,820
thing out yes he sure can but it I I

1504
01:04:01,820 --> 01:04:00,120
hope that he hasn't been you know tossed

1505
01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:01,830
out on his ear by this thing by now that

1506
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:05,460
he went and did all that bless his house

1507
01:04:10,550 --> 01:04:07,710
he needs to bless his house not calling

1508
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:10,560
up the local pastor or priest he needs

1509
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:13,110
to do this in broad daylight and go

1510
01:04:17,150 --> 01:04:14,940
corner to corner and bless that house

1511
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:17,160
get the closets get the cabinet's too

1512
01:04:23,180 --> 01:04:20,610
and you know show this thing the door

1513
01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:23,190
because it's it's not something that he

1514
01:04:28,070 --> 01:04:25,470
should toy with at all don't don't talk

1515
01:04:30,350 --> 01:04:28,080
to it it's there for no good reason you

1516
01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:30,360
know even I have a problem with ghosts

1517
01:04:34,790 --> 01:04:32,910
too like I have so many people I know

1518
01:04:37,550 --> 01:04:34,800
it's a friendly ghost it's only pushed

1519
01:04:39,590 --> 01:04:37,560
me once oh come on you know it's not

1520
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:39,600
meant to be there what God do you know

1521
01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:42,090
would turn you away if you're a good

1522
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:44,280
person just because they died doesn't

1523
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:45,760
mean that they're good

1524
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:48,250
because Casper was kid doesn't mean he

1525
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:51,520
was a good kid all right it's like come

1526
01:04:56,790 --> 01:04:54,640
on now it's just so silly I just you

1527
01:04:59,820 --> 01:04:56,800
know it's not paying the rent get it out

1528
01:05:02,400 --> 01:04:59,830
all right that's the end it's not big

1529
01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:02,410
the rink get it out i love that kick it

1530
01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:05,470
kick it out exactly and mark i have to

1531
01:05:08,910 --> 01:05:07,180
say it what we talked about and the

1532
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:08,920
break you know we're telling me about

1533
01:05:12,270 --> 01:05:11,200
your you're flashing forward into the

1534
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:12,280
future and all these different things

1535
01:05:17,340 --> 01:05:15,910
and and i wanted to share oh yes desire

1536
01:05:20,130 --> 01:05:17,350
something during the break do you want

1537
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:20,140
should bring upon you yeah just briefly

1538
01:05:24,330 --> 01:05:23,110
because it was really you know it's just

1539
01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:24,340
like a light went off in my head like

1540
01:05:28,590 --> 01:05:26,140
and that's why I'm in touch with these

1541
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:28,600
guys I mean really you're you're

1542
01:05:34,260 --> 01:05:31,270
somebody special I mean a warrior of

1543
01:05:36,030 --> 01:05:34,270
sorts to you know I think that there's a

1544
01:05:38,730 --> 01:05:36,040
time that's happening right now were

1545
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:38,740
more and more people who are in touch

1546
01:05:44,250 --> 01:05:41,490
with these these different abilities and

1547
01:05:47,790 --> 01:05:44,260
awarenesses and and things going on it's

1548
01:05:49,860 --> 01:05:47,800
so needed and dark things see you

1549
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:49,870
clearer than the next person so you're a

1550
01:05:56,130 --> 01:05:53,290
bigger target including you art you know

1551
01:06:00,270 --> 01:05:56,140
then the next person you have no idea I

1552
01:06:01,770 --> 01:06:00,280
mean truly I mean you gotta be on your

1553
01:06:04,530 --> 01:06:01,780
P's and Q's because one of the things

1554
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,540
why I couldn't understand what made all

1555
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:06,640
this focus of these negative things to

1556
01:06:10,260 --> 01:06:08,530
come at me so when I hear a lot of

1557
01:06:12,420 --> 01:06:10,270
negativity is going after a person I'm

1558
01:06:14,370 --> 01:06:12,430
like well you must be one hell of a

1559
01:06:17,970 --> 01:06:14,380
prize that they're fighting so hard to

1560
01:06:19,830 --> 01:06:17,980
get you something is going on so take it

1561
01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:19,840
as a compliment but also take it as a

1562
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:21,640
sign that you need to you know increase

1563
01:06:27,210 --> 01:06:24,160
your fear enforcement to keep these

1564
01:06:30,570 --> 01:06:27,220
things away so for sure yeah yeah it's

1565
01:06:32,250 --> 01:06:30,580
it's crazy i've had so dream wise like I

1566
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:32,260
was telling you a little bit about it in

1567
01:06:38,910 --> 01:06:34,480
the break but I've had its several

1568
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:38,920
dreams regarding a alien war and it it

1569
01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:41,110
goes further and further like every

1570
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:44,200
single dream it's a continuation like it

1571
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:47,170
continues to go it's it's really bizarre

1572
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:48,880
and I'm not going to get on to it you

1573
01:06:51,630 --> 01:06:50,110
know maybe another time on the air

1574
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:51,640
people want to hear it I'll do it but

1575
01:06:55,890 --> 01:06:53,530
today the shows about you so I don't

1576
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:55,900
want no myself mark believe it or not

1577
01:07:01,470 --> 01:06:58,960
first book secret war is

1578
01:07:05,609 --> 01:07:01,480
talking about the alien war I've seen it

1579
01:07:07,079 --> 01:07:05,619
too it's it's nuts and it was a lot you

1580
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:07,089
know it was a lot of colors that I was

1581
01:07:13,620 --> 01:07:12,130
seeing people were / by the color of the

1582
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:13,630
shirt they were wearing like that was

1583
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:15,970
really evident and in these dreams that

1584
01:07:23,609 --> 01:07:21,280
I had it was like green and red took two

1585
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:23,619
colors that that people were were doing

1586
01:07:30,839 --> 01:07:27,490
and had a lot of like it sounds like Han

1587
01:07:33,570 --> 01:07:30,849
Solo [\h__\h] but I know like running up

1588
01:07:35,370 --> 01:07:33,580
into the hills of like Montana and and

1589
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:35,380
I've only been there once before in my

1590
01:07:39,150 --> 01:07:37,030
in my life you know but it's like

1591
01:07:41,010 --> 01:07:39,160
running up into the mountains bringing

1592
01:07:42,660 --> 01:07:41,020
people like we have to go this way we

1593
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:42,670
have to go this way and helping people

1594
01:07:47,310 --> 01:07:44,770
get to like secure safety areas and

1595
01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:47,320
crazy stuff yeah it's it's nuts will

1596
01:07:52,109 --> 01:07:49,990
totally chat offline not crazy stuff

1597
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:52,119
there are a lot of people having these

1598
01:07:57,300 --> 01:07:54,690
memories come forward I've had many and

1599
01:07:59,640 --> 01:07:57,310
the book the secret war that i wrote

1600
01:08:01,710 --> 01:07:59,650
talks about the alien war and the static

1601
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:01,720
that's going on currently and how people

1602
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:04,480
are living these double lives when they

1603
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:06,970
go to sleep they're going to filling

1604
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:10,210
their little do they sold the phone oh I

1605
01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:12,490
have to stop you right there yeah this

1606
01:08:16,019 --> 01:08:14,470
is important okay I know nothing I know

1607
01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:16,029
nothing about the alien war this is all

1608
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:20,230
brand new this is something that I know

1609
01:08:23,970 --> 01:08:22,330
as I'm sure there are others who might

1610
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:23,980
not be as familiar with it as well just

1611
01:08:28,170 --> 01:08:26,170
in a nutshell tell me about the secret

1612
01:08:29,610 --> 01:08:28,180
alien ward was this and then please

1613
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:29,620
continue to tell me more about the sleep

1614
01:08:34,289 --> 01:08:31,210
things because I actually suffer from

1615
01:08:36,150 --> 01:08:34,299
very severe sleep problems and I was

1616
01:08:38,249 --> 01:08:36,160
telling I was telling Heidi about them

1617
01:08:40,530 --> 01:08:38,259
if you have must have fallen off the air

1618
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:40,540
but yeah I was telling her all about the

1619
01:08:46,140 --> 01:08:44,319
crazy crazy many tears it's it's insane

1620
01:08:49,019 --> 01:08:46,150
like the things that I do in my sleep ok

1621
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:49,029
art wakes up screaming a lot in his in

1622
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:52,960
his sleep um anyway I know that because

1623
01:09:03,059 --> 01:08:59,040
his wife told me that's why I'm ignition

1624
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:03,069
yeah well the secret war the alien war

1625
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:06,130
that is going on um I i felt like i was

1626
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:07,450
at sitting in the middle of it because i

1627
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:09,489
would see these black shadowy things

1628
01:09:12,900 --> 01:09:12,250
coming at me trying to choke me or

1629
01:09:14,850 --> 01:09:12,910
whatever

1630
01:09:16,530 --> 01:09:14,860
and seeing balls of light literally

1631
01:09:19,140 --> 01:09:16,540
attacked them sent them on their way I'm

1632
01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:19,150
like what is going on now that alien

1633
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:20,680
being that started speaking through my

1634
01:09:26,700 --> 01:09:24,130
friend started to explain to me and my

1635
01:09:30,030 --> 01:09:26,710
friend about this this battle that's

1636
01:09:34,290 --> 01:09:30,040
going on essentially over this planet in

1637
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:34,300
particular in others that the thing that

1638
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:36,610
links all of these different alien

1639
01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:38,650
beings that are in you know coming here

1640
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:40,630
to this planet abducting abusing people

1641
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:44,650
are the shadow people so it runs rather

1642
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:46,330
deep with what they're doing and how

1643
01:09:50,310 --> 01:09:48,250
they're strings are attached but you can

1644
01:09:53,370 --> 01:09:50,320
essentially call them the puppeteers but

1645
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:53,380
there's a whole other side that doesn't

1646
01:09:58,650 --> 01:09:56,050
get the you know on the movies and

1647
01:10:01,080 --> 01:09:58,660
whatnot the more positive side that

1648
01:10:04,770 --> 01:10:01,090
talks about there being the one God and

1649
01:10:07,770 --> 01:10:04,780
how they work for him and how they're

1650
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:07,780
trying to stave off and beat off this

1651
01:10:12,180 --> 01:10:09,730
negative force and that there was a war

1652
01:10:14,670 --> 01:10:12,190
a secret war that's going on and it's

1653
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:14,680
happening in the individual bedrooms of

1654
01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:17,170
individuals there you know everybody

1655
01:10:21,390 --> 01:10:19,030
thinks there's going to be chariots in

1656
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:21,400
the sky and you know this is going to

1657
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:22,930
come down where we're all going to see

1658
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:25,930
this war coming it started and it's in

1659
01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:27,610
the bedroom of the guy that's saying oh

1660
01:10:30,690 --> 01:10:29,080
my god you wouldn't believe what

1661
01:10:33,210 --> 01:10:30,700
happened to me last night and they're

1662
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:33,220
being laughed at and no one is taking it

1663
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:35,110
seriously and I'm like and there goes

1664
01:10:39,690 --> 01:10:36,730
another warrior that went down because

1665
01:10:41,940 --> 01:10:39,700
they saw one in their site specifically

1666
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:41,950
like I mean can you begin to explain

1667
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:44,710
like what it is is that's happening when

1668
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:46,690
we fall asleep like any step by seven

1669
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:48,250
what is it we're doing and how we not

1670
01:10:53,820 --> 01:10:51,610
dying wait how are you how are we not

1671
01:10:56,850 --> 01:10:53,830
dying as far as these beings I mean are

1672
01:10:59,190 --> 01:10:56,860
we fighting a war as warriors yeah oh

1673
01:11:00,690 --> 01:10:59,200
yes it's a very spiritual war we don't

1674
01:11:03,930 --> 01:11:00,700
need these bodies to get around to do

1675
01:11:05,550 --> 01:11:03,940
what we're doing and and I know that was

1676
01:11:08,370 --> 01:11:05,560
a stupid question I say I mean I'm

1677
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:08,380
regretted it no that's okay no no I see

1678
01:11:11,820 --> 01:11:09,730
what you're saying because it's like how

1679
01:11:14,340 --> 01:11:11,830
do we jump from one thing to the to the

1680
01:11:16,530 --> 01:11:14,350
next and but it goes on it's it's

1681
01:11:18,330 --> 01:11:16,540
happening I I don't have the answers

1682
01:11:20,460 --> 01:11:18,340
exactly about you know all the ins and

1683
01:11:22,860 --> 01:11:20,470
outs of it but so many people are coming

1684
01:11:24,660 --> 01:11:22,870
back with these memories and they're

1685
01:11:26,020 --> 01:11:24,670
like I feel like I was fighting all

1686
01:11:27,310 --> 01:11:26,030
night long and

1687
01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:27,320
I'm like I know what you're talking

1688
01:11:32,050 --> 01:11:29,030
about you're exhausted aren't you seems

1689
01:11:33,940 --> 01:11:32,060
like okay yes here's the thing but I

1690
01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:33,950
mean I do iiiii don't have any

1691
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:36,440
recollection ever of what I happened to

1692
01:11:41,740 --> 01:11:40,370
you my sleep like I do not yeah there's

1693
01:11:43,810 --> 01:11:41,750
never been a night where I remembered

1694
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:43,820
like any of the exchanges with you but I

1695
01:11:49,930 --> 01:11:47,570
am cry I got do i cried i saw if I ball

1696
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:49,940
in my sleep for hours i talk about

1697
01:11:56,050 --> 01:11:53,600
things that i have no knowledge on yeah

1698
01:11:58,540 --> 01:11:56,060
so arts wife was telling me that aren't

1699
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:58,550
was a robot salon yeah I was talking I

1700
01:12:04,330 --> 01:12:01,520
was talking about robots he said that he

1701
01:12:06,580 --> 01:12:04,340
knows nothing about like like building

1702
01:12:09,250 --> 01:12:06,590
things and robots but he was explaining

1703
01:12:11,530 --> 01:12:09,260
how to like build robots and how to put

1704
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:11,540
them together and stuff like that in his

1705
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:14,000
sleep oh oh you know I have goosebumps

1706
01:12:22,570 --> 01:12:17,570
from head to toe you have no idea you

1707
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:22,580
guys oh we so need to talk you're

1708
01:12:27,460 --> 01:12:25,490
talking about exact go way deep that

1709
01:12:31,150 --> 01:12:27,470
people will their heads will roll

1710
01:12:33,730 --> 01:12:31,160
because they don't understand um but I

1711
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,740
would recommend check out my book the

1712
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:35,840
secret war it and might totally will

1713
01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:39,170
that might help explain so da library

1714
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:41,630
have it uses its well you know what I

1715
01:12:46,690 --> 01:12:44,030
made it only as an e-book right now the

1716
01:12:49,660 --> 01:12:46,700
newer version oh I can get online yes

1717
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:49,670
yeah an Amazon the the printed book I

1718
01:12:54,370 --> 01:12:52,490
took out some of the other elements that

1719
01:12:55,660 --> 01:12:54,380
people could not quite relate to because

1720
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:55,670
I just wanted to get the message across

1721
01:13:03,580 --> 01:12:58,400
her illness like sea otters did you say

1722
01:13:06,190 --> 01:13:03,590
uh odd more hot water Oh ddr some more

1723
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:06,200
odd yeah because I just want to make

1724
01:13:08,980 --> 01:13:07,280
sure people were getting the point

1725
01:13:10,450 --> 01:13:08,990
instead of dwelling on these little bits

1726
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:10,460
that i know they won't get and it

1727
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:12,770
doesn't matter so but you would if you

1728
01:13:17,980 --> 01:13:16,010
both would yeah it's you know and and

1729
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:17,990
part of that you know it's it's like

1730
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,050
you're calling um in a lot of ways like

1731
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:23,600
i'm sure you have a full-time job I have

1732
01:13:28,690 --> 01:13:25,760
a full-time job we do things that are

1733
01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:28,700
not just the paranormal but something

1734
01:13:33,670 --> 01:13:30,910
there's some passion in me that says

1735
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:33,680
okay I need to make this paranormal

1736
01:13:39,070 --> 01:13:36,050
website like a Kickstarter to help

1737
01:13:39,870 --> 01:13:39,080
people finance the project so that they

1738
01:13:41,459 --> 01:13:39,880
need to get done

1739
01:13:43,979 --> 01:13:41,469
because there's a lot of people out

1740
01:13:46,260 --> 01:13:43,989
there that do believe and are trying to

1741
01:13:48,780 --> 01:13:46,270
get things out there whether it's

1742
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:48,790
research or books or you know so so this

1743
01:13:53,610 --> 01:13:51,250
this project truth funders came into

1744
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:53,620
existence out of that passion and I work

1745
01:13:59,250 --> 01:13:57,520
on it all the time but but I still have

1746
01:14:00,780 --> 01:13:59,260
that full time job but I still do this

1747
01:14:04,590 --> 01:14:00,790
full time as well I mean it's a real

1748
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:04,600
company it's a real LLC be its its legal

1749
01:14:11,780 --> 01:14:08,170
tender all that stuff um and when I

1750
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:11,790
called art to host the show it was like

1751
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:14,370
you know sometimes it's it's a

1752
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:16,960
synchronistic where all the you know all

1753
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:18,130
the right people at all the right times

1754
01:14:24,570 --> 01:14:22,719
and art and I sort of we met through via

1755
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:24,580
email just kind of talking back and

1756
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:27,760
forth to each other and and it was just

1757
01:14:32,850 --> 01:14:30,250
like it just happened to be that a year

1758
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:32,860
and a half after we became friends I

1759
01:14:38,129 --> 01:14:35,050
said hey I need somebody to host this

1760
01:14:40,290 --> 01:14:38,139
this radio show for us and art has all

1761
01:14:41,459 --> 01:14:40,300
this experience and not only that not

1762
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:41,469
only does he have all the radio

1763
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:44,770
experience but he is you know he's in

1764
01:14:49,709 --> 01:14:46,810
touch with it with the paranormal side

1765
01:14:53,070 --> 01:14:49,719
and the and the strangeness that that it

1766
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:53,080
is and his wife is too so like to be

1767
01:14:57,540 --> 01:14:55,090
able to connect with with someone and

1768
01:15:00,120 --> 01:14:57,550
bring this to life I feel like this is

1769
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,130
part of that inner battle or something

1770
01:15:05,340 --> 01:15:02,320
that I'm supposed to be doing and that

1771
01:15:06,930 --> 01:15:05,350
it will work it will work eventually all

1772
01:15:09,390 --> 01:15:06,940
the stuff will all come together you

1773
01:15:11,459 --> 01:15:09,400
know oh yeah you know I it's such a

1774
01:15:13,649 --> 01:15:11,469
project of passion what you guys are

1775
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:13,659
doing and I I get that it's like

1776
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:15,520
something that burns in you that

1777
01:15:18,899 --> 01:15:17,170
sometimes when you sit alone in a room

1778
01:15:20,820 --> 01:15:18,909
with it you feel like I think I have the

1779
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:20,830
energy to crawl up the wall I really do

1780
01:15:26,430 --> 01:15:24,130
it's a totally I couldn't sleep when

1781
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:26,440
when I had this idea yeah I could not

1782
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:29,170
sleep it was like I need to do this yeah

1783
01:15:33,810 --> 01:15:32,050
I need to do it I need to do it and the

1784
01:15:35,970 --> 01:15:33,820
fact that it got to a point now where

1785
01:15:38,700 --> 01:15:35,980
it's actually live and active is is

1786
01:15:41,340 --> 01:15:38,710
beyond me you know like that's just you

1787
01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:41,350
do it and you make it happen yeah it's a

1788
01:15:45,209 --> 01:15:43,030
beautiful thing because a lot of people

1789
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:45,219
think I don't know what I will die I

1790
01:15:49,140 --> 01:15:47,050
want to interject very quickly yeah and

1791
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:49,150
I are in like was smart enough to give

1792
01:15:53,410 --> 01:15:50,910
you and I radio show together like

1793
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:53,420
we are dealing with some very very high

1794
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:56,400
high intellect people here emphasis on

1795
01:16:04,400 --> 01:15:57,690
the word high for putting us on the year

1796
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:04,410
I hear you I was just gonna say it you

1797
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:05,850
know I don't know why people think that

1798
01:16:10,460 --> 01:16:07,890
this is a field that people go into to

1799
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,470
get rich you do not you put more into it

1800
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:12,000
than you'll ever get out of it maybe

1801
01:16:17,290 --> 01:16:14,000
whoever student nobody's ever said that

1802
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:17,300
what you do can you get so many more

1803
01:16:22,430 --> 01:16:20,130
rewards though from the inside out and

1804
01:16:25,130 --> 01:16:22,440
when something is driving you that you

1805
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:25,140
know is from other worldly things I mean

1806
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:28,290
but it's a part of your soul it's it's

1807
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:30,450
like you you have no control but to keep

1808
01:16:34,850 --> 01:16:32,340
moving forward with it and it's in you

1809
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:34,860
enjoy every minute of it so I understand

1810
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,640
I understand yeah I mean we were talking

1811
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:40,320
a little bit about that last night Heidi

1812
01:16:44,780 --> 01:16:43,110
on the phone and it's like um you know

1813
01:16:47,630 --> 01:16:44,790
we do this out of the love and the

1814
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:47,640
passion and it was really interesting

1815
01:16:55,550 --> 01:16:52,050
there was a art gab or bell gab our

1816
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,560
bells fan page there was a someone said

1817
01:17:02,150 --> 01:16:57,600
something I wanted to be an art when

1818
01:17:05,090 --> 01:17:02,160
fantage come arch there was a page about

1819
01:17:06,530 --> 01:17:05,100
you know under you and and they started

1820
01:17:10,190 --> 01:17:06,540
writing about it and someone said hey I

1821
01:17:11,900 --> 01:17:10,200
really want to to make this happen like

1822
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:11,910
this project has anybody heard of truth

1823
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:13,770
funders and some people talk about it

1824
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:15,330
said yeah they're pretty cool yeah

1825
01:17:18,890 --> 01:17:17,640
they're the rat and then someone like oh

1826
01:17:21,050 --> 01:17:18,900
maybe they're I think they're just

1827
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:21,060
trying to you know make a profit off of

1828
01:17:26,270 --> 01:17:23,970
paranormal stuff and goods like you know

1829
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:26,280
it would be such an amazing to be

1830
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:28,890
self-sufficient offing off of it no I

1831
01:17:32,090 --> 01:17:30,810
don't understand this where's this like

1832
01:17:33,710 --> 01:17:32,100
all of a sudden coming from you can make

1833
01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:33,720
money in the paranormal well I don't is

1834
01:17:37,460 --> 01:17:35,490
that this is it true thing as well no

1835
01:17:39,530 --> 01:17:37,470
it's it's like this people think art

1836
01:17:42,140 --> 01:17:39,540
that if you make any money doing

1837
01:17:44,570 --> 01:17:42,150
anything in the paranormal world if you

1838
01:17:46,100 --> 01:17:44,580
just make anything like at all if you

1839
01:17:48,890 --> 01:17:46,110
make a living off of it if you make a

1840
01:17:51,380 --> 01:17:48,900
side off of it there are some people who

1841
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:51,390
think that oh well there's winners and

1842
01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:53,040
the money they're not seems are not real

1843
01:17:58,970 --> 01:17:55,860
there there are I don't know honestly

1844
01:18:02,630 --> 01:17:58,980
but maybe one or two authors that make a

1845
01:18:03,399 --> 01:18:02,640
living doing this nobody does but it

1846
01:18:04,899 --> 01:18:03,409
does

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01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:04,909
the person that successfully turned into

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01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:08,239
a viable commercialized product and as a

1849
01:18:12,459 --> 01:18:09,679
result made a very good living off of it

1850
01:18:14,259 --> 01:18:12,469
but he get in such a quality way that it

1851
01:18:16,209 --> 01:18:14,269
was very clear he wasn't doing it for

1852
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:16,219
the month right he did it out of passion

1853
01:18:21,699 --> 01:18:19,610
too I mean honestly he started right

1854
01:18:24,819 --> 01:18:21,709
where we're all setting you know so it's

1855
01:18:26,859 --> 01:18:24,829
I understand it it's it's really it's a

1856
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:26,869
it's a it's s passion and driven thing

1857
01:18:30,939 --> 01:18:28,130
and I don't know why people are afraid

1858
01:18:32,259 --> 01:18:30,949
of oh you just making money you know if

1859
01:18:33,819 --> 01:18:32,269
you really want to help people once you

1860
01:18:36,189 --> 01:18:33,829
give all your books for free i'm like oh

1861
01:18:39,339 --> 01:18:36,199
why don't you go work for me and pass me

1862
01:18:42,100 --> 01:18:39,349
your paycheck you know it's totally true

1863
01:18:43,959 --> 01:18:42,110
I mean it's why should you do work for

1864
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:43,969
nothing it you know it's that's like

1865
01:18:49,449 --> 01:18:47,510
saying okay well um yeah why don't you

1866
01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:49,459
write this whole entire novel and then

1867
01:18:53,649 --> 01:18:51,320
you know not feel that you need to be

1868
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:53,659
compensated for it well I mean where

1869
01:18:57,429 --> 01:18:55,760
does that make logic where is that sense

1870
01:18:59,109 --> 01:18:57,439
you know that maybe in the entertainment

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01:19:02,049 --> 01:18:59,119
industry especially like that is such an

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01:19:04,419 --> 01:19:02,059
exploited aspect of Norwich it's sick

1873
01:19:06,609 --> 01:19:04,429
sad and like disgusting the way the

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01:19:08,799 --> 01:19:06,619
business feeds off of young kids that

1875
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:08,809
want to break into it by essentially

1876
01:19:14,140 --> 01:19:11,199
turning them into slaves like I've seen

1877
01:19:16,359 --> 01:19:14,150
unspeakable like treating zuv people and

1878
01:19:19,540 --> 01:19:16,369
it's um it's wrong it's so wrong oh yeah

1879
01:19:21,790 --> 01:19:19,550
for sure I'm gonna yeah so so can we be

1880
01:19:24,669 --> 01:19:21,800
expecting a truth funders project from

1881
01:19:27,009 --> 01:19:24,679
you pretty soon I have a couple of them

1882
01:19:29,109 --> 01:19:27,019
that I would love to see get completed I

1883
01:19:31,979 --> 01:19:29,119
sent you the trailer to a film that

1884
01:19:34,779 --> 01:19:31,989
myself and another guy helped fund and

1885
01:19:36,939 --> 01:19:34,789
you know it was we were doing a

1886
01:19:39,370 --> 01:19:36,949
documentary on top of you know a regular

1887
01:19:41,709 --> 01:19:39,380
film project paranormal film project and

1888
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:41,719
I am not kidding you when I say hey this

1889
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:44,320
is all filmed on HD quality stuff and

1890
01:19:50,049 --> 01:19:48,289
got it fantastic editor's you know that

1891
01:19:53,529 --> 01:19:50,059
worked on Lord of the Rings and whatever

1892
01:19:56,739 --> 01:19:53,539
we're working for us and one by one they

1893
01:19:59,949 --> 01:19:56,749
quit because paranormal things were

1894
01:20:03,459 --> 01:19:59,959
happening to them to the actors to the

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01:20:05,589 --> 01:20:03,469
writers everybody was getting freaked

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01:20:07,989 --> 01:20:05,599
out and they walked away from the

1897
01:20:11,109 --> 01:20:07,999
project and the film we had several

1898
01:20:13,689 --> 01:20:11,119
digital copies of they all got distorted

1899
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:13,699
in so many different areas from each

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01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:16,130
copy that we could not piece it together

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01:20:19,970 --> 01:20:17,130
to complete

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01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:19,980
the film that's a story in itself that's

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01:20:23,410 --> 01:20:21,570
that's a film that did not want to get

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01:20:25,580 --> 01:20:23,420
an aid or for whatever reason

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01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:25,590
interesting what that song being the

1906
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,690
trailer looks amazing by the way so I

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01:20:31,340 --> 01:20:29,760
watched it and you know sometimes you

1908
01:20:34,129 --> 01:20:31,350
see something an independent film and

1909
01:20:36,979 --> 01:20:34,139
you're like okay whatever but the the

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01:20:39,379 --> 01:20:36,989
way this is shot it's really beautiful

1911
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:39,389
and it looks great I mean it really does

1912
01:20:42,649 --> 01:20:41,280
and I just went ahead and posted the

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01:20:45,379 --> 01:20:42,659
trailer up in the chat room so that

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01:20:47,060 --> 01:20:45,389
anybody that is in the chat room can go

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01:20:49,220 --> 01:20:47,070
ahead and watch the trailer we will also

1916
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:49,230
post that on the truth finders Facebook

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01:20:53,450 --> 01:20:51,810
page yes and I also have another project

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01:20:55,550 --> 01:20:53,460
that I would love to see complete

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01:20:57,050 --> 01:20:55,560
because you know like I was saying how

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01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:57,060
do you defend yourself against some of

1921
01:21:02,060 --> 01:20:59,040
this darkness it's coming as light stuff

1922
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:02,070
so I have another project that I would

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01:21:07,070 --> 01:21:03,690
like to get done sooner than later

1924
01:21:11,419 --> 01:21:07,080
sooner than the film is the other F word

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01:21:13,820 --> 01:21:11,429
com um I i think that people are lacking

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01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,830
their faith it's like you by the way Oh

1927
01:21:18,919 --> 01:21:15,840
face Emma yeah and I'm a I'm a

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01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:18,929
cartoonist and as well so i did a

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01:21:23,390 --> 01:21:21,330
graphic novel that you know is to help

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01:21:25,580 --> 01:21:23,400
kids to try to you know get back to

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01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:25,590
their faith a bit but it's really wacky

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01:21:30,050 --> 01:21:28,080
I'm gonna hang about it that's awesome

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01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:30,060
that's awesome that's a great idea I a

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01:21:34,459 --> 01:21:32,159
lot of the toilet humor and and they're

1935
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:34,469
also looking into the paranormal and why

1936
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:36,330
do we have to have any faith behind this

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01:21:40,820 --> 01:21:38,370
type of thing but really it's it's gonna

1938
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:40,830
be really wide wide based and and I

1939
01:21:46,129 --> 01:21:43,290
decided you know I i drew this book it's

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01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:46,139
you know 225 pages and a whole bunch of

1941
01:21:51,020 --> 01:21:48,330
comics like 180 comics in there and and

1942
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:51,030
I was only hearing back from adults that

1943
01:21:54,530 --> 01:21:52,380
we're just cracking up saying how they

1944
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:54,540
loved the book so I'm like I'm gonna do

1945
01:22:00,290 --> 01:21:57,570
one for adults so I did drew generous

1946
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:00,300
bunch of children yeah I do it all out

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01:22:05,169 --> 01:22:03,449
wrote it it's ready to go and because of

1948
01:22:07,340 --> 01:22:05,179
my background and the paranormal

1949
01:22:09,169 --> 01:22:07,350
faith-based publishers don't want to

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01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:09,179
have anything to do with it so I need to

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01:22:13,970 --> 01:22:11,130
get that funded so I could get it out

1952
01:22:17,660 --> 01:22:13,980
there sooner than later and get this the

1953
01:22:20,660 --> 01:22:17,670
cartoon element of it there's been some

1954
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:20,670
hints and a little interest to have that

1955
01:22:25,970 --> 01:22:23,760
made into an actual cartoon animation

1956
01:22:28,580 --> 01:22:25,980
like we're talking about yeah moving

1957
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:28,590
solved that's that's of course of course

1958
01:22:30,910 --> 01:22:30,540
it would be what wouldn't yes and I'm

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01:22:33,940 --> 01:22:30,920
like

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01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:33,950
I am NOT an animator I love to write and

1961
01:22:38,770 --> 01:22:36,890
I think I'm more I think I'm good at it

1962
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:38,780
but it would be nice to see it come to

1963
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:42,080
life and you know it get a demo and

1964
01:22:46,420 --> 01:22:44,000
maybe get to present it to somebody and

1965
01:22:48,670 --> 01:22:46,430
it's I think it's a cleaner version of

1966
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:48,680
family guy let's put it that way and but

1967
01:22:53,170 --> 01:22:50,570
looking adding the paranormal elements

1968
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:53,180
and to try to spell out I'm having time

1969
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:56,210
behind like care really danny has

1970
01:23:00,910 --> 01:22:58,400
nothing going on behind that surface

1971
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:00,920
level this is all death by there so it's

1972
01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:03,530
very different show yeah uh yeah I mean

1973
01:23:09,250 --> 01:23:05,870
I I mean it so any kind of support

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01:23:11,890 --> 01:23:09,260
connections anything would be so yeah

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01:23:13,210 --> 01:23:11,900
well we will totally and and I'll get

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01:23:15,310 --> 01:23:13,220
together the thing if you get in their

1977
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:15,320
creative like people for anything call

1978
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:17,330
Mark's he's got an army of them ready to

1979
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:20,330
go oh yeah it's it's all the years in

1980
01:23:24,130 --> 01:23:22,490
the entertainment industry and you know

1981
01:23:26,740 --> 01:23:24,140
a whole bunch of friends that I've made

1982
01:23:29,290 --> 01:23:26,750
along the way and also uh you know with

1983
01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:29,300
your book we would love to make a truth

1984
01:23:33,190 --> 01:23:31,310
funders campaign with that and and the

1985
01:23:34,810 --> 01:23:33,200
movie as well so you and I will

1986
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:34,820
definitely be in touch this week and

1987
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:36,170
what we'll do is we'll have you back on

1988
01:23:39,550 --> 01:23:38,210
the show once the projects are up and

1989
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:39,560
you could talk a little bit more about

1990
01:23:45,310 --> 01:23:42,650
them on those days I think I think their

1991
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:45,320
stellar projects and I feel like we've

1992
01:23:49,540 --> 01:23:47,090
art I feel like we've met a kindred

1993
01:23:52,330 --> 01:23:49,550
spirit today like we totally I don't

1994
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:52,340
like all get together talk thank you at

1995
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:54,110
the same time will tell guests I will

1996
01:23:58,300 --> 01:23:55,610
never have her back on the show ok

1997
01:24:01,360 --> 01:23:58,310
people listen to you on in such form a

1998
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:01,370
network you know I just relaunched my

1999
01:24:07,660 --> 01:24:03,890
show again it sets every friday 8pm

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01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:07,670
central 29 30 and i just have a blast

2001
01:24:13,180 --> 01:24:11,120
i'm absolutely silly so hey anybody that

2002
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:13,190
needs advice on any of these odd topics

2003
01:24:17,980 --> 01:24:15,890
from angels to aliens feel free to write

2004
01:24:20,620 --> 01:24:17,990
me so i'm heidi hollis calm is my maid

2005
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:20,630
website as well and i also want to tell

2006
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:23,050
people to check out fickle finders com

2007
01:24:29,020 --> 01:24:27,440
that's my cartoon animation little

2008
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:29,030
thingy that i'm trying to push forward

2009
01:24:32,830 --> 01:24:31,370
to but yeah so I mean I do my best to

2010
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:32,840
try to help people i'm not a guru I'm

2011
01:24:36,970 --> 01:24:34,970
not a psychic I'm just somebody who's

2012
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:36,980
trying to make a difference because it

2013
01:24:41,230 --> 01:24:38,930
matters to me to try to help my

2014
01:24:43,420 --> 01:24:41,240
neighbors you know all all of the all of

2015
01:24:43,819 --> 01:24:43,430
the people that do one thing to help

2016
01:24:47,839 --> 01:24:43,829
some

2017
01:24:50,089 --> 01:24:47,849
I be a bigger small will in the add up

2018
01:24:52,250 --> 01:24:50,099
it negates every single like mean things

2019
01:24:55,549 --> 01:24:52,260
somebody does something else so that's

2020
01:24:59,540 --> 01:24:55,559
when you know you when you want to make

2021
01:25:00,799 --> 01:24:59,550
it a night yes the smallest thing just

2022
01:25:02,689 --> 01:25:00,809
do it because it's counterbalancing

2023
01:25:05,329 --> 01:25:02,699
something else that it's all right you

2024
01:25:08,209 --> 01:25:05,339
know what I mean oh it's such a central

2025
01:25:10,489 --> 01:25:08,219
part of why are you here and ya know

2026
01:25:12,049 --> 01:25:10,499
obviously I we love you and we would

2027
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:12,059
love to have you on the show any time

2028
01:25:16,129 --> 01:25:14,249
because it's a very dangerous and

2029
01:25:18,859 --> 01:25:16,139
volatile combination playing us three of

2030
01:25:21,409 --> 01:25:18,869
them together clearly I'll you know you

2031
01:25:23,959 --> 01:25:21,419
guys have really uplifted me and I just

2032
01:25:25,729 --> 01:25:23,969
I feel so happy and honored to have I

2033
01:25:29,029 --> 01:25:25,739
have the chance to talk to you because I

2034
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:29,039
i I'm vibe with you guys I mean it's

2035
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:31,679
it's really cool i'm really happy really

2036
01:25:37,419 --> 01:25:34,530
it's it's the Minnesota / Wisconsin

2037
01:25:39,500 --> 01:25:37,429
slime Jason Saturday Night Live of

2038
01:25:41,629 --> 01:25:39,510
abnormal he just brings all the best

2039
01:25:43,549 --> 01:25:41,639
talents yeah there you go i was born in

2040
01:25:46,669 --> 01:25:43,559
San Francisco but I was raised over here

2041
01:25:48,619 --> 01:25:46,679
ooh see that's cool that's awesome I've

2042
01:25:52,129 --> 01:25:48,629
got the connection there my neck of the

2043
01:25:56,199 --> 01:25:52,139
woods exactly yes all the weirdos come

2044
01:25:58,909 --> 01:25:56,209
out of San Francisco there you go

2045
01:26:01,609 --> 01:25:58,919
goodness but no this has been an

2046
01:26:04,549 --> 01:26:01,619
absolute blast because I mean it's it's

2047
01:26:07,219 --> 01:26:04,559
always just so refreshing it and I I I

2048
01:26:09,649 --> 01:26:07,229
feel like people are finding each other

2049
01:26:11,719 --> 01:26:09,659
that are involved at these levels right

2050
01:26:13,009 --> 01:26:11,729
you're out totally thought we were

2051
01:26:15,139 --> 01:26:13,019
together than we are individually and

2052
01:26:17,509 --> 01:26:15,149
you know this there was a very long

2053
01:26:19,069 --> 01:26:17,519
period there of doing things

2054
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:19,079
individually to like you know figure it

2055
01:26:23,209 --> 01:26:20,249
out and once you can figure it all out

2056
01:26:24,469 --> 01:26:23,219
it just well it was yeah it's all

2057
01:26:25,699 --> 01:26:24,479
synchronistic like it's all

2058
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:25,709
interconnected everything is everything

2059
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:27,570
yeah it's just it's wild and we only got

2060
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:28,800
a minute left so we can't get into that

2061
01:26:34,939 --> 01:26:31,489
room that's all good we'll do this again

2062
01:26:36,919 --> 01:26:34,949
definitely definitely so everybody I

2063
01:26:40,729 --> 01:26:36,929
just want to thank Heidi for coming on

2064
01:26:42,889 --> 01:26:40,739
the show you are a bright shining source

2065
01:26:44,569 --> 01:26:42,899
of light and and really I can't wait to

2066
01:26:46,609 --> 01:26:44,579
work together with you and put together

2067
01:26:48,739 --> 01:26:46,619
truth funders campaign for you didn't me

2068
01:26:51,169 --> 01:26:48,749
out of this world things always like

2069
01:26:54,399 --> 01:26:51,179
refreshing just come across people that

2070
01:26:57,770 --> 01:26:54,409
get it in terms of like the amount of

2071
01:26:59,900 --> 01:26:57,780
passion that I feel like I

2072
01:27:01,520 --> 01:26:59,910
people around you just don't look at me

2073
01:27:05,690 --> 01:27:01,530
and they go what the hell is wrong with

2074
01:27:07,460 --> 01:27:05,700
you and it's just it's nice to you know

2075
01:27:10,220 --> 01:27:07,470
being company of someone that you know

2076
01:27:11,330 --> 01:27:10,230
just understands a lot of the nonsense

2077
01:27:13,340 --> 01:27:11,340
you have to go through in order to be

2078
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:13,350
this crazy but it's worth it Oh same

2079
01:27:17,480 --> 01:27:15,360
here same here thank you guys so much

2080
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:17,490
this is a blast all right here was

2081
01:27:22,190 --> 01:27:19,530
thunders radio on the inception radio

2082
01:27:24,410 --> 01:27:22,200
network my name is art wet his mark

2083
01:27:25,790 --> 01:27:24,420
Schwartz you go to truth fenders calm uh

2084
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:25,800
boys your website one more time Heidi

2085
01:27:30,260 --> 01:27:28,560
Heidi Hollis calm heidi hollis com

2086
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:30,270
download the podcast from the inception

2087
01:27:34,190 --> 01:27:32,970
radio network they are the most tolerant

2088
01:27:36,020 --> 01:27:34,200
human beings over there for putting up

2089
01:27:37,730 --> 01:27:36,030
with us real grateful to every single

2090
01:27:39,500 --> 01:27:37,740
week for doing so and we will talk to

2091
01:27:41,740 --> 01:27:39,510
y'all next week this is to thousands

2092
01:27:44,900 --> 01:27:41,750
radio live on inception radio network